“If You Never Initiate, You Will Lose The High Value Men…“
Should a woman chase a man she likes? It’s a good question, and whenever women hear that it’s ok to initiate contact with a guy, they inevitably want to know how to pursue him without looking desperate.
These are the questions I’ll answer in this article.
I often see women in our Facebook group suggesting to “never initiate” when dating men. Clearly, women are confusing “chasing” with initiating.
Why You Should Never Chase After A Man?
Because chasing is value extracting. In general, chasing behaviour is usually behaviours that’s out of attunement with the person who is being chased.
If you’re interested in turning the tables and having him value you so much that he wants to chase you and hold on to you, then understand how to become a woman of value to him.
Do NOT chase. Initiate instead!
Do NOT chase him. That’s the first and simplest answer I can give you.
Here’s an article I wrote for you on How To Make Him Chase You And Value YOU.
However, don’t confuse chasing with initiating, because they are different things.
If you’re going to latch on to a principle for dating, that’s fine, but let’s get our definitions straight first. Initiating is clearly getting confused with chasing.
Initiate = cause a process or action to begin
Chase = pursue in order to catch or catch up with
I know that a lot of women fear that they won’t be feminine enough if they show any interest to a man, or initiate in any way.
Let’s use our thinking caps here. After all, we aren’t mindless women following dogma about what it means to be “feminine” without ever questioning anything.
We are not incapable of thinking critically, right? We are living, breathing and responsible creatures, I hope.
So if you say never “initiate”, what does that really mean for you and your future?
Never initiating will get you poor results
If you believe you should never initiate in online dating or real life dating, then how much success do you truly think you’ll have?
Especially in connecting with the high value men (who always get snapped up super fast)?
Do you think any truly feminine woman would never initiate? What about the classic way women used to initiate back in the day, by “dropping the hanky”?
What about a simple but beautiful smile?
What about women who use the 17 Attraction Triggers?
It’s called subtle signalling. (In science!) And there’s more about how to use subtle signalling in this article on how to get a boyfriend.
Do not Chase him. Send subtle signals (initiate)
They have done research that shows that 70% of the time in dating, it’s actually women who initiate.
Subtle signalling is a form of initiation. A while I suggest you do not chase him, I would never tell you that it’s bad to initiate with a man.
Unless you’ve already tried initiating and you got clear signals back from him indicating he’s ‘not interested’.
Here’s why I suggest to you that it’s ok to initiate…
It’s because by initiating, you create an opening for men to come towards you. There are many men out there who are really shy and afraid of being rejected by a woman.
So by sending subtle signals and initiating, you get to give him the fuel he needs in order to feel more comfortable approaching you (if he wants to).
How do women typically do this?
They gaze at a man a fraction of a second longer than they should.
They adopt open body posture.
They play with their hair.
If you never initiate, there are bigger problems…
If you are a woman who is incapable or unwilling to initiate, then something’s up. You really have to think about why that is.
Have you been chasing men for too long and experienced too much pain surrounding that, that now you’re swinging the pendulum to the other extreme (so as to avoid pain?)
Perhaps you haven’t been chasing men, but you feel a lot of fear in initiating anything with a man (and are afraid to admit that you’re scared of rejection?)
I would suggest that if you can never initiate, then that’s a sign that you’re not able to calibrate yourself in a dating or relationship situation.
You may be wondering what this actually means. It means that you feel too scared to take the perceived ‘risk’ of initiating.
And this is often a reason that women say that men should be the ones to “chase”. They can’t stand the thought of taking any risk, because they don’t want to be exposed to the pain of rejection.
But I’m sure that’s not really you deep down inside, is it?
Here’s an article on how to make him chase you.
I’ve done a lot of thinking about this, and I’ve come to an insight I’d like to share with you, and maybe have you bounce back your thoughts to me. I’ll share what I have learned with a question:
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What types of people need advice that keeps them passive in dating?
I understand the fear involved with risk. But plenty of high value women take the risk of initiating with men. It’s actually a natural and normal behaviour of women to try to attract and secure a man.
If you need to stay passive for safety, then don’t be surprised if you always seem to be second in line for the high value men. Because no matter how masculine a guy is, he’s going to instinctively be looking for responsiveness and attunement in his woman.
If these two things are not there (ie: she expects him to do all the heavy duty work of creating experiences and connection in the relationship), then that would represent a huge red flag.
Have a think about this…
What kinds of people need or respond to advice that is basically asking them to be passive? Really, have a think. What kinds of people?
That’s right. Insecure or fearful people. Yes, this could also include insecurely attached people. People whose equilibrium when getting close and attaching to others is insecure.
People who can’t escape a fear of abandonment.
I’m not hating on insecurely attached people, because I used to be one of them and I know there’s lots of people who share this attachment style out there. That’s totally OK.
It’s just something to work through once you’re aware of it.
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Secure people let themselves make mistakes during the courting process
So, do you believe that confident women who feel like they have value to men, would be too fearful to initiate when they want to?
Maybe sometimes, given the right circumstances.
However, would very securely attached people need dating advice that is aimed at keeping them passive?
They might find such advice intriguing, and it might be nice to think about it, right?
But what kinds of people really need and thrive upon advice that’s designed to get them to swing the pendulum away from truly engaging in playfulness with men, and instead towards “never initiating”?
People who are insecurely attached. And why would this be?
Well, it’s because insecurely attached people haven’t had the feeling of safety in emotional attachment during childhood.
That’s right, emotional safety. In other words, a secure attachment that allowed them to naturally and intuitively learn the art of courtship and the mating dance.
When they were growing up, they learned that almost nothing involving closeness and attachment is safe, nor worth the vulnerability or risk.
That’s what insecurely attached or traumatised children can often subconsciously feel.
In contrast, securely attached children and adults make mistakes, yet they keep going and learn faster than others in the process!
Because they have resilience.
They will never stay passive for long (if at all), since they just have that sense of emotional freedom. They have the confidence and dare I say fearlessness to engage with men (or women, if the securely attached person is a man).
If you find that you have insecure attachment or anxious attachment, I invite you to learn how to self soothe anxious attachment.
If you have insecure attachment, heal that FIRST
So if you are indeed one of the many people out there with insecure attachment or anxious avoidant attachment and therefore lack confidence, I suggest you proceed to heal that.
You can begin that process by reading my article on Anxious Attachment Triggers: Recognise & Heal Them For Dating.
Do that, rather than trying to use superficial methods to try to avoid being vulnerable to your own emotions. Because just deciding to ‘never initiate’ won’t help you heal and won’t put you on the right track.
They will only cause you to stall your progress in finding your one and only!
(If you would be interested in a program on how to heal insecure attachment and become more securely attached, let me know in the comments below and if there’s enough interest, I’ll go ahead and make such a program for you.)
Initiating should not be confused with chasing…
Look, I understand the whole fear behind the advice to “never initiate”.
You apparently shouldn’t chase a man. HE should chase you, right? Because apparently, men like to “hunt”? (excuse me, but why would a man hunt a woman? Is she a beast or an animal? No. So perhaps the word hunt is the incorrect word to use.)
Chasing, as we established earlier, is not initiating. They are different things!
If women didn’t initiate throughout history, then they wouldn’t be feminine women.
We’d be half-dead, boring robots. Feminine women are initiators in their own way, just as much as men are.
Don’t give me the argument about men being “programmed to love the chase”, because if that’s where the true value of women really lies, then no man would emotionally commit long-term!
The women would have to be constantly (inauthentically) making herself scarce and uncommunicative in order to “tantalise” and trigger his desire to “chase”.
And that is where a lot of women lose out. They think they have to make a man chase her.
You do NOT have to make a man chase YOU
The value is not in the chase, otherwise you’d see men chasing and courting rabbits. (maybe they do do that. I guess nothing is out of the question, is it?!)
The value is in the emotional connection. Otherwise every woman could “win” a man’s emotional long term commitment by repeatedly running away to be chased.
That’s not how it works. A man would give up and begin to resent you.
You win the real commitment of men when you’re a man’s one and only woman.
That’s where all of your answers lie. If you’re not the man’s one and only, then you’ve never actually emotionally connected with him, and you’re really just one of many.
He will therefore never feel any real emotions for you. Desire maybe, but not the emotions required to inspire him to commit.
This is also why I made my program “Becoming His One & Only”.
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Initiating does not mean bombarding a man with annoying messages…
I am not saying all of this so that women can now justify bombarding a non interested man with value-taking texts. Text messages where perhaps women declare to men their undying admiration and love in an uncalibrated way. That’s not what this is about.
I am saying all of this so that women might direct their energy in a smarter way and with more efficiency. Your energy should be put in the right places.
Not in controlling yourself so that you take no risks and be passive, but in the intent to be playful and connect with men.
Courtship is a DANCE
That’s right. It’s a DANCE.
That’s why it’s called “the mating dance”.
A passive woman who never initiates (in online dating as well) will not get what she wants.
If you were completely passive, even in the beginning, a high value man would never “dance” with you.
He might chase you like meat, but how can any man truly engage with a passive woman?
No one falls in love through being passive
No one falls in love by being passive. No one falls in love by blindly chasing someone, either.
People fall in love through engagement with each other spontaneously and vulnerably. And every man or woman who falls in love has made a multitude of mistakes, too.
So, dig a little deeper, and be patient.
Be patient with yourself and with the process of connecting. If you don’t allow yourself to take a leap of faith and learn how to connect and communicate with men, mistakes and all – you may miss out on the high value men.
In online dating it’s very important for women to initiate! It’s your job to initiate and weed out the men who aren’t worth your energy.
Here’s a well researched article (with scientific references) on why women should initiate in online dating.
Never “initiating” will not fix the problem of feeling deeply insecure!
If you choose to stay passive, that’s your choice of course.
However, if you can never bring yourself to initiate in real life or in online dating (due to fear), then you’ll never fix the core issue of feeling deeply insecure.
Again, don’t confuse chasing with initiating. The solution to never chasing a man is not to be passive!
Initiate the mating dance
Remember, initiate means to cause an action or process to begin.
In general, no woman wants to chase a man. And I’m not saying you should chase a man, because you shouldn’t.
Chasing a man means you’re trying to extract value and you’re not at all attuned to him. That’s why chasing isn’t the answer.
Yet being passive isn’t the answer either.
So, allow yourself the luxury of initiating with a guy.
If you want to initiate, then why the hell not! (As long as he hasn’t already rejected you in the past).
If you are online dating, the best method to initiate with a man without looking desperate is to use high value banter.
High value banter will allow you to initiate real connection online, cut through the online graveyard of online conversations, and connect with the souls of high value men immediately. (My husband has made the most incredible class in high value banter and you should test it out for yourself.)
If you are not online dating but want to send subtle signals, see my examples above. They will give you an idea of how you can initiate safely with men, without looking desperate.
Remember, do not chase him. Instead, initiate with your subtle signalling or high value banter.
You see in online dating, the high value men get snapped up so fast and so hard that you’ll be convincing yourself that these types of men basically don’t exist. (They do! And women who use our high value banter are finding this out for themselves every single day. They are calling it a “game changer”!)
This is why we have an article on the 3 Reasons Why Women Should Initiate in Online Dating.
So, don’t be passive. Don’t let old rules strip you of your ability to actually live and learn.
Even if you have insecure attachment and are an anxious or anxious avoidant type, the only way to begin changing it is to do the very thing you fear you can’t truly do.
Be human, emotionally engage or send subtle signals and connect with men, despite feeling vulnerable.
Of course, it’s also extremely important to give yourself the permission to learn and have your own journey. It’s ok to make mistakes along the way.
High value banter is the most playful way of initiating with him
If you would like to know how you can actually engage with men in a way that adds value and always adds to the playfulness of the situation, I recommend you take my husband David’s High Value Banter Class.
So many women have been using the text examples he gives and noticing that they are able to connect with the high value men better and faster, and repel the low value men faster.
If you decide it’s not for you, at least you had the courage to investigate a new idea for yourself.
🎓 So, to end this, let’s engage in a little thought exercise. If the goal is not to chase, but not to be passive, then what is the real goal here in dating, for us as women?
Share with us your thoughts, and once there are some answers, I’ll share my answer too.
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