Why Men Do Not Want to Marry

Why Men Do Not Want to Marry

How to Become the Kind of Woman Men Want to Marry

Before I begin, let me just share a few extracts taken from an anti-marriage website:

“My wife was a frigid, shrivelled b***h. Before we were married, we had plenty of sex, but as soon as we passed the six month mark after our wedding, she stopped being interested. My wife only f***s when she “feels sexy.” Translation: when I give her jewellery. She is just a withered old bag at the age of 35.”

“What security is there for men in marriage? If I cheat on my wife, she gets half my s**t. If she cheats on me, she still gets half my s**t. Why the f*** should i get married”

“We had one kid. Wife stays home, but the kid wears her out. I bust my f****** ASS 60 hrs/week and get no credit. Wife gives me guilt when I don’t throw everything down right after work to watch this screaming, annoying f****** kid so she can go out to the gym, or to some restaurant with her friends, or to her sister’s house to watch movies.

She gets to take naps during the day when the baby sleeps, and every time I call her on the cell during the day, she is at Starbucks with her Mom or friends. She says that doesn’t count as “Her time” because she’s with the baby.

I’ve had enough. I feel so undervalued and OWNED. She is so ‘entitled’ now it’s like 60 (or 70, or 80) hours a week from me is EXPECTED. Being at work from 8-7 counts as my ‘social’ time, so I am not allowed to have any friends or ever do ANYTHING outside of change F****** DIAPERS”

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MY ANSWER

Hi there 🙂

I hope you’re having a lovely day and I haven’t thrown you off with those comments above! Now I am sure that, even just by reading these words you can see the frustration, resentment and anger inside these men.

(Please note: whilst I acknowledge that marriage takes 2, and that men need to step up and take charge of their own actions as well – this website is for women, so I focus mainly on what can be done from the woman’s end).

It’s true; if I was a man in this day and age, I would be quite put off marriage to many of the the modern women in the Western world. Truth be told, the state of our society has done some really bad things to the balance of masculine-feminine and to the values of women and men. (Click here to take the quiz “Am I Dating a Commitment Friendly Man?”)

The reason why men do not marry is actually really simple. A lot of men feel that there is nothing in it for them!

And what IS in it for them when they don’t have a good woman? The fast-moving modern world that we live in has ensured that women are working longer hours, juggling more responsibilities, and progressively less able to place their men as their top priority.

In fact, most women place their children at the top of their priorities – which may seem like the best thing to do, but men can grow to resent this as their women are more fulfilled taking care of their kids than they are taking care of their men.

In the meantime, their man gets/feels neglected. Even more important – most women just have no idea how men work. They do not understand them, and most of them do not want to understand them; they’re too busy attending to their other tasks or priorities – in other words, themselves.

However, just as you want to be understood; so does your man! It’s important to not be a man-hater, or a man-basher and stop putting everything down to “Men just want sex”. This is not always true, and true love does exist.

How to become marriage material

So how do you become the kind of woman men want to marry? I will give some strategies below:

– Stop thinking of yourself.

Spend 60 days taking responsibility for your man’s needs and seeing things from his perspective, no matter how hard things are for you. If you do this, he may be more receptive to your needs and you will most likely get him in a different state; a state where you can bring up the topic of your needs with him.

– Understand him, and how he works.

Work out what his needs and values are, and start to understand. If you’re often defensive, start to seek understanding. Understanding gives you control and empowerment. We have a a program called Understanding Men, click here to get more information about this phenomenal program.

You’ll have a lot more certainty and happiness in your relationship if you start to understand that you DO have control over it – and you CAN make it better. More importantly, if you know how to meet his needs in a variety of ways better than anyone else ever could – he would have no reason not to want to be with you for as long as possible!

– Do not deny him sex regularly and do not use it as a commodity; do not ever use sex to specifically get what you want from him, if you want sex to be, for the long-term, a mutually enjoyable thing that you both share together.

Also, when you do sleep with him, be real, be honest and be generous. What do I mean by this? I mean understand him and learn why he wants sex. Don’t do it hoping it will be over soon. He knows this. He feels it. (Click here to take the quiz “How Naturally Feminine Am I Actually?”)

It is very hard on a man to be sleeping with a woman who wants it to be over, and treats his sexual needs as another “chore” to be done on the list. It’s important that you make time for him, and for the both of you to be together and to keep the passion alive and kicking.

– Have high standards for yourself.

Get fit, eat well. Also, just because you have had a child does not mean it’s ok to be overweight, depressed or “old” or no fun anymore. My lovely, as hard as it can be to look after so many things, and to have so many things on your mind, make it a habit to set your standards high.

If you want the great rewards and a fantastic loving husband who adores you, start by adoring him and understanding him. Understand that a man like his wife to look nice, not just for the sake of looking nice, BUT because he wants to know that his wife/girlfriend still CARES enough to bother making herself look nice for him.

This goes regardless of age. Just because a woman is 60, does not mean she can’t look good anymore. It’s more about never getting “old” on the inside, which then affects the outside.

These are a few good things that you can do to ensure you are on the right track to being the kind of woman a man wants to marry. And, it’s not all about getting a man to marry you or commit to you, it’s about starting by giving without expecting anything in return. (read my article about the difference between pleasing and giving)

Men aren’t as terrible as so many women say. They are not “all the same”, and men are happy to be loyal and give to us and cherish a good woman who takes care of his needs and gives beyond herself. They are not always unreasonable creatures, there are compassionate, caring men around.

And, your man should do the same, too. Relationships are about giving.

If you would like to know exactly step by step how to inspire your man to commit to you and marry you, I suggest you sign up to my program Commitment Control 2.0. It is the best program of its kind to help women in casual situations to a deeply devoted and committed relationship. Click here to register to watch the Commitment Masterclass. 

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  • Viki Samoja

    Wow, so much hostility in the comments from both sides, personally i would be willing to go for a marriage with a right woman. but only right woman and no other, i alrady have a test planned for just this eventuallity and i am sorry to say it but 99% of women here would not pass, if i am going to devote myself to a woman heart and soul i must know she will do it too, and still allow me to be a man, a test i have in mind (that i am not divulging btw) would make any leach hit the airlock, and any woman who can’t trust me completely and let me be a man to become so offended that she will leave forever, it is a harsh view but harsh times call for harsh measures, and that is what i consider a core of masculine, to be able to make harsh decisions where weaker people would just go with the flow.

    • Jessica

      Nothing wrong with that. Take your time and be patient. Your wife will come in due time, if she passes your tests.

      • Tanya Rachel Wieczorek

        I wonder if his “test” is just telling a woman that he’s poor or has major debts that’ll take years to pay off.. If it is true love she won’t mind if he’s poor.. either that or telling her he can’t have kids, then if a woman is planning on bleeding him dry with child support she’ll be outta there..

        • Jessica W

          Ain’t no telling about his “test.” It is true love if a woman can live with and love a man no matter if he’s rich or poor. It just a shame that men and women have destroyed marriage for themselves. There’s nothing wrong with not wanting kids. I don’t have any, but my husband has them from previous relationships. I do hope you find that wonderful man who can’t or doesn’t have children.

  • Gmack

    Marriage and having children is a financial death sentence for men. Men do not want to become a wage slave to women. and as for feminism , its a mental illness.
    MGTOW FOREVER, FOREVER MGTOW

  • Rocky

    For men marriage is risk. No advantages. Am divorced and two of my gf’s have tried to pin me down into marriage. Why? We are not having kids together (middle aged). Its a game where the woman plays along until you are tethered to her financially then the sex, intimacy etc all dry up as she has caught you and no longer has to try. After divorce my ex started working out to get in shape to catch sucker #2 – it worked. Why didn’t she bother while we were married? I’d get home after a long day of physical work with groceries I’d bought on the way home. Would cook dinner and start cleaning the house. Her? She was sooo tired from looking after the kids and maybe doing a laundry! I got to be away from all this work and stress and have fun! I would have traded places in a heartbeat as I love my kids. Mr Disney and feminism ha ve created a herd of entitled princesses.

  • SeriouslySpeaking

    Just too many very high maintenance spoiled and selfish women out there nowadays since many of these type of women just Can’t like a guy for himself anymore.

    • Vana

      Well I wish i could meet a man who wanted me for me and not because i can give him sex. I wonder where he is.

      • Luke

        So, you don’t care about giving him what he wants?? That’s what we read when we see comments like that. It says that you’re too high-minded and “independent” to do something kinky, if that’s something that might turn him on.

      • BlueLanternMonk

        I’m avoiding you. Hypergamy doesn’t care.

      • Buddy Zuckerman

        You sound like a woman who wants her water dry. Seriously, relationships include sex. If they don’t, its called something other than a relationship.

      • Mark Muffs

        Vana I understand avoiding some in which sex is their only priority and nothing else. That is not love on their part. But if you continually deny a man an act of love to who should have it, your prospects are going to be very dim. One reason I avoided marriage is some people like that, view it more as a business than sharing love together as a couple. The “don’t touch me” type wouldn’t get past the first date with me and I think I’m entirely justified.

      • How much do you use men for their utility value? Got a man with a six pack and gangsta tattoos that penetrates you really good and pulls your hair? Check. Got a man that comes over and fixes your car? Check. Got a man to cry on his shoulder when you’re having a bad day? Check. Got a man who is really nerdy and comes over to fix your computer? Check. Got a man who enjoys your company (this might not be possible for you) and he always offers to pay for dinner while you pretend to reach for the card in your purse while saying, “oh I can take care of myself? Check. Got a bunch of men who pay taxes so you can be a single mother? Check.

        Maybe you could find that one awesome man if you actually stopped using men as disposable utilities.

  • Insidious Sid

    Marriage: Insane risk, man has everything to lose. Women are more demanding and materialistic and difficult to satisfy than ever before. Both men and women are spoiled these days and expect instant gratification everywhere. Women are sexually loose and mistake their ability to hook-up with high quality males (for one night, anyways) for being an actual high quality partner themselves. Ladies: just because you can bed a top guy once in a while does not mean you’re top relationship material… it just means he was horny and you were easy. That’s it. Nothing more.

    • Mark Muffs

      My feeling was like that in the 1970s and that hasn’t changed. For those first 5 years after high school, nothing really changed but when the 80s rolled along, we all were past 23 and girls hinted or said they wanted marriage and kids, I made a fast exit. Don’t need that noise.

      • Luke

        It’s too bad we can’t have a perpetual 1960s home life. Feminists had to come in in the early 70s and destroy marriage for us. Regardless of what these feminists will tell you, those women wanted to please their men, they felt proud of being wives and mothers to their kids. Not no more.

        • Mark Muffs

          Yes if it were like the 1950s & 60s, I would have had a different view of marriage and kids and it would have happened. But by the 1980s it was a no go initially due to the feminism part but what nixed it for good was the government and legislation on how to raise your kids. People going to jail for letting their kids walk home from school or playing alone in the park ?? Not me, no way jose !!!

          • Luke

            Social workers have definitely fcked things up for creating and raising our own families. Who are they? Who do they think they are to impose their own desires for our kids? But you can argue that movements like feminism started that trope. People trying to tell you how to live, judging you from the outside without actually knowing you or your situation.

  • rawr

    i’m sure a few ears ago i’d have been delighted in seeing an article like this of women wanting to become better women for their men. now i just see shallow attempts to have their cake. whenever a girl is sweet on me i know it’s because she wants something out of me. worse yet is i see in the comments the resounding bs of “there’s also few good men out there to connect with”. the vast majority of men are good by nature. they may not be making 6 figures and have chiseled features but most of them are the kind of people you can depend on when it counts. women on the other hand, you will very rarely find a woman you can say the same about. sure there’s all kinds of women whining in response to posts like this about how they gave their boyfriend everything they had and he ended up dumping her to find someone else, that’s your fault for loving men who aren’t capable of loving you, you do the choosing babe, and you chose exactly as expected of you, very very poorly.

    i’d love to find a good woman because as a man there’s always going to be that part that’s missing for a complete life: the love and companionship of a good woman that i care for. i don’t get my hopes up, i’m no 10/10 and the competition for what few good women are out there is too extreme for the everyman to have a shot with, that’s life.

    i noticed the less i care about women, the more attractive i am to them, go figure. i can’t love anymore because if a woman shows attraction towards me it’s because she’s attracted to emotional unavailability, not me.

    • Jessica

      It’ s not just women having bad judgment when it comes to loving the wrong kind of men, men have bad judgment when it comes to loving the wrong kind of women as well. Everyone chooses who they love. Some people come in your life for a lifetime; the majority come for a season. You have to know which is which because you will always mess up mixing seasonal people with lifetime expectations. I’m sorry that you feel that you can’t love because of the nonsense you’ve been through. Forgive them and most of all forgive yourself.

      • WithoutAMaster

        Absolute nonsense. Many men I know (including myself) would have enjoyed having a loving, caring, generous woman that kept herself healthy and didn’t do the cluster of behaviors other men here are describing that are typical of so many women out there. It’s not that men have bad judgment, so many of us don’t have much choice in the women that are available and those that are available act as if they are good catches and that we are biased jerks if we decide not to marry them. Where are those “Good women?” Most of women think they are worth the effort and don’t even mutually respect men or care about them at much as men do. They believe they are good women and yet act as if most men are beneath them. Most women after a certain time come with a host of problems, issues, baggage, anger, and other things that make them undesirable and they have largely done it to themselves. And yet they get furious when men don’t want to have to pay the tab for them. Why should we? It’s a loser’s game and we’ve had enough. Singledom has never looked better in our entire history of this culture for men. Women wanted this mess, and sadly, they got it.

        • Jessica

          Well, that happens too. I’m not looking at this one-sided. I look at both sides. Who’s to say men don’t act like females too, if not worse.

        • Jessica

          I also wanted to add that men and women tend to hold on to grudges against past relationships that hurt them. If they are not going to forgive the person that hurt them, they will still have power over them and can not fully move on with their lives. When you forgive those who have hurt you, you take the power away from them. Speaking for myself, I do not judge anyone until I see their actions, especially men. Of course, I am married to a wonderful man. When you bring baggage into a new relationship, ultimately, it will fall apart. Don’t bring old hurts into a new relationship. It hinders people from moving forward.

          • Easyst17

            I notice a lot of arguments, usually about men, though it is nice seeing someone say that it is on both sides, that amount to ‘men are just bitter from past relationships.’ I am pretty sure the reason people say this is because they want to pretend this reaction is emotional in nature and as such carries less weight. Perhaps others should look at these people not as emotional, but rational realists. If a person consistently has X outcome from a given situation, and when they look out at other people and see that they consistently X outcome from the same situation, it stand to reason that X situation, in this case relationships and marriage, is fundamentally flawed. Avoiding a situation that has a high probability of a devastating outcome is a wise decision.

            • Jessica W

              Yes. Doing the same thing and expecting different results is insanity. How dare a person ask for a good man or a good woman and make him or her pay for the mistakes the last man or woman did and haven’t forgiven them.

              • Marc Brown

                Every book I ever read, song I ever heard… poem, movie, etc…. told me to respect and protect and do good. Be a man.

                I suffered immensely trying that, failing, thinking I didn’t do it good enough and then trying harder, failing even harder….. continue cycle for many years.

                I guess I’m slower than most, but eventually I said no more- I can’t do this any more. I will never again go out of my way for a woman Unless she goes out of her way for me first and often. And if that never happened then I’m totally good with it.

                Guess what, turns out it’s as simple as that. Stop living the way media and popular culture tells you on how to be a man. Eventually a real women was in my life, treating me fair… more than fair, and she did it consistently. Now I can say without any hesitation or doubt I would do anything for her, never cheat on her, never harm her, always protect her etc….. instead of giving away all of those things up front and getting used by the wrong women….. I just stopped being the easy target society demanded me to be.

                She is not white and she was not raised in this country- I know that explains a lot to most men posting here. However she has been a citizen for over 10 years and works as a nurse. She was married previously and cheated on, but for some reason decided to take a chance with me. I’m very lucky she did. She doesn’t want to get married because of her past experience, but if she did, I would- she has proven to me 100 times over the difference in quality over any of the ‘born in america’ females I have been with previously.

                However, due to the widespread mob mentality of women on social media telling each other they deserve better regardless of how good they have it:

                “what? He only did A thru Y? He’s no good for you!” “You’re telling me, after he did those nine hundred and ninety nine good things he did that one bad thing? You need to leave him.”

                I’m pretty sure the whole world is going in the wrong direction in terms of the opposite sex being able to get along in a healthy manner.

                Hopefully, something happens and the trend reverses, more ridiculous things have happened.

                • BlueLanternMonk

                  Good morning Mr. Brown! I like your style! The statement or premise,that you alluded to,namely that “men have treated women poorly,in the past” (loose paraphrasing) ….This is not the case,anymore than with men. The “Women Are Wonderful Effect”,is clouding your judgement. I.e.:
                  [Rudman and Goodwin studies “Women are Wonderful Effect”-Wikipedia: In Group Bias section]
                  Excerpt:
                  “Men and women who automatically perceived men as more threatening or intimidating than women also had pro-female preferences, suggesting that negative male stereotypes can promote greater liking for women.” ….you picked a winner,in “Jessica W.”,as she may be the most solid lady on this entire site! ….you got questions? We got answers!
                  “My instructors in science and technology have taught us about how the brain works. It’s full of electrical impulses. It’s like a computer. If you stimulate one part of the brain with an electrode, it…- They know nothing.”
                  – Lois Lowry [The Giver]

                • Insidious Sid

                  Women’s expectations these days aren’t just crazy, they’re f*cking laughable. A to Y is not good enough. 999% is not good enough. They were raised to be SPECIAL SNOWFLAKES that are *inherently entitled* to all best of everything because they are special snowflakes with vaginas. Instead, we have more than one generation of female narcissists and men at a loss of how to please them. The correct answer: you can’t satiate, please or impress a narcissist. Leave them alone to their smart-phones, slagging other people and posting duck-face selfies. Let them have their “life” – they don’t need you in it anyways – at best you’d be an appendage to her already “perfect” Facebook existence.

                • Marc Brown

                  InSid- I agree. However I do worry a bit for the future.

                  In 1950 there were a series of very interesting experiments, using mice, that resulted in entire populations going extinct via social behavior changes. Called “the beautiful ones, no matter how many times they conducted the experiment, eventually the mice would stop producing.

                  The reasons for social breakdown may have been different than what we are discussing here, but I can see a very similar outcome.

                  http://www.returnofkings.com/36915/what-humans-can-learn-from-the-mice-utopia-experiment

                • Marc Brown

                  Couldn’t agree more, for a large number of women that’s the case. However, I don’t want to exclude all women based on the actions of the majority. I still try to encourage those who still able to think for themselves, and want to be an an actual fair and mutually beneficial relationship.

                • Jessica W

                  I’m glad that you found true love. Anything is possible. It doesn’t matter where they come from. Love knows no bounds. Keep doing well.

          • Mark Muffs

            At least I can say that’s one thing I’ve never done and that’s disparage those I dated or was in a relationship with in the past. Almost all of them ended due to compatibility issues but I did remain friends with a couple of them.

            • Jessica W

              You’re a rare man too. I’m glad that you chose not to let your bad experiences hinder you from wanting true love.

            • Mark Muffs

              One I left because she was looking more for a handyman and similarly related than for love. I went with her more out of a soft heart rather than love, so I was just as much at fault. After time passed and I never seemed to get any time to do my own things, it got very strained, though I kept my mouth shut. She was and is still a good person but just not compatible for me.

      • Mark Muffs

        I knew such a girl in high school. She particularly went after those guys on the “wrong side of the tracks”. Too bad. In eight years after school ended, she had four such guys and within that time, two were dead, one was sent to prison for life and the last one became a total invalid after an overdose of drugs.

        • Jessica W

          Damn. A total waste.

    • Insidious Sid

      ‘Not caring’ (lack of empathy for others) is a personality trait of narcissists and psychopaths, 2 of 3 personality types of the “dark triad”. Read up on the dark triad and you’ll know that women are really sexually attracted to the worst men (thugs) of the bunch: the men who will stop at nothing to get what they want. Women are envious of this power, and wish to wield it themselves, and believe that their sexuality can be used as a remote control on monsters like this to allocate that power and the spoils that usually comes with it. But this frequently blows up in women’s faces – thugs don’t love and thugs don’t share. They beat and abuse and manipulate their women and lovers just like they abuse everybody else around them. On the flip side, men raised to be “good/nice/decent guys” are rejected in droves by women who get the magic tingles from primal thugs.

  • TheThinker

    Until women are treated as true equals in our divorce courts, men should never ever marry them. Awarding gifts and cash prices to women just because they “earned less” to maintain their way of life after the relationship has ended is absolute crap. As a matter of fact, marriage should default to this: short of clear, provable reasons for divorce, any woman who files for divorce should not receive anything. Not even the couple’s kids, if they have any. Thoughtless divorces are nothing but a deliberate destruction of a man’s family, and no one should receive gifts for doing that.
    It is unfortunate that it has now come to this, where men ask women, “What exactly do you have to offer me?”

    • Jessica

      It should work both ways in divorce court. It’s just a shame that men and women have caused so much anger, resentment, and hatred towards each other. Not only men don’t want to get married, women don’t want to get married either. The law is not fair. People are not the same, even when it come to this situation. I’m glad that I don’t have children with my husband. If we ever divorce, I want nothing from him except for him to be out of my life. There was a time when I didn’t want to get married because I witnessed a lot of my family getting married, divorced and remarried. I thought “Damn, if this is how a marriage ends, I don’t want to get married.” Just because other people’s marriages fall apart doesn’t mean yours will too. People don’t realize that you have to work on a marriage. It’s up to both people to stand strong when trouble comes. If they run and hide, it won’t last.

      • Ryan Brewer

        I agree with you,for the most part. One thing aside though, the percentage of a Male initiated divorce,is extremely low,compared to the Female initiated counterpart. I’m both single and childless,so I can sort of relate,with the logical part,behind not having a kid.

        • Jessica

          Thanks Ryan. Yes, I have seen the divorce initiations on both men and women. It is very discouraging to both sexes not wanting to be married. Of course, my husband has children from previous relationships. Don’t let these other people discourage you if you wish to get married. Just keep doing well and let everyone else be bitter.

          • Ryan Brewer

            Deal ! I won’t let other people’s relationships influence me,to be bitter. My earlier response,to you alluded to the fact that statistically speaking, any male is subject to “get got”,at an astonishing rate,compared to,any female. Your guy exemplifies one possible outcome,that I could attain,but even his “best case scenario” outcome,came with pain,for him abd gain,for her.(so I would guess,by the stats) Kids are expensive…how much did it cost him/you,in child support?(retorical) I may be incorrect,male custody does happen very rarely! The worst case scenarios are many and ruinous,so I’ll skip that. One subject I think a traditional women,such as yourself,may be interested in a certain roadblock I’ve come across,which is a major issue for me,that I haven’t mentioned,pertaining to dating/marriage…The “female breadwinner paradox” (House Husbands Ain’t Sexy,by Bar Bar,on YouTube can explain) it’s like this: I’m poor due too various and slowly changing circumstances. I’m basically the exact male equivalent,of an early 1900’s “housewife”. (I.e. undereducated,debt free,poor job prospects,experience with childcare,cooking etc.,so due to a combination of Hypergamy (can’t marry up,to the “floor”) and female sexual entitlement ie:(YouTube again) [“Traditional Relationships…nothing but business and a bottom line”] I’m stuck (until I’m not) in a “S.M.V.” position,that would require a woman to have a very poor view,of herself,to date bellow her league/potential.(because I’m low in the social hierarchy/monitary scale) Or due to the aforementioned female traits+my circumstances,makes for a near certain divorce,either because I’m not good enough,or because I aimed too low,for even my streamlined moderate expectations/desires,for a woman. Even without all the legal stuff I’m ice skating uphill,from a reproductive/sexual prospective. I could have taken the leap,many times,I’ve met “her” several times! I won’t,though…I see what happens,and no amount of NAWALT can dissuade me,I’ve been single my whole life and I’m already accustomed to it. I’m glad you didn’t let you husbands preexisting kids,stop you. I wouldn’t have been so generous! I wanted to ask two ladies I know,today…but I remembered the risk just in time. (Male sex drive is way too overriding,at times) it’s kinda like dodging a bullet,that I’d think I’d like to be hit by! Later then,good talking with you.

            • Jessica

              As for child support, Missouri can only take up to half of a person’s income, which I think is ridiculous. At one time, I was bringing home the bacon and he fried it. He admitted to me that he felt less as a man because he couldn’t help me financially at that time. I told him that he will find a job and keep praying and believing. We choose to pray and support each other through the good, the bad andthe ugly. I still find my husband sexy whether he’s working or not. Also, finding a man or woman who doesn’t have children are becoming nonexistent slowly but surely. I will pray for you and hope that your wife finds you and much happiness to you man. This is a great blog. Check out the other articles too. Thanks for writing back and stay positive.

              • Bob Nath

                I respect women like you. I am fortunate that my wife thinks the same. She supported me in odd times. We both take care of our family and home not looking into the facts who is doing how much. However, I have seen many families of my friends where their wives are taking undue advantage of their conjugal position and crashed their lives. With the law and justice system favoring women, my friends are just vegetables in their families. Just because I am lucky I cannot advise anyone to get married anymore. I think men should think many times to see if it is really worth to take the risk of marriage or live a secured single life. Truly if men do not want kids, there is absolutely nothing more they can get from marriage.

      • mike

        I have to agree with you there,it just seems no body wants to stand with there partner and fight.they just start looking for the next man or women.they believe they will be happier,have more money,better sex and life will be easier,and that could happen for them.but there is fallout,lives ruined,people hurt ,dreams cursed not mention they will never know what god could have done with all those lives.they could also have what they left for fall completely apart life can and does work that way.

        • DarthW

          If you’re a guy you will ALWAYS “have more money, better sex, and life will be easier” if you simply stay unmarried. Marriage is for fools.

          • Olsen

            I have heard many divorced moms say, “I would only remarry if the guy had a lot of money”. If that is the attitude of women, I will just keep it to myself.

          • Tyler Doe

            So true. Because women and men want different things, men’s (money,power,stability) worth goes up as they age. Women’s (beauty) goes down. The longer you hold out, the better life is!!! Don’t be a scared sucker!!!

      • Frank Nizzo

        Society (currently a gynocentric pisshole not worth 2 shits ) wants to make men the enemy then society will suffer tremendously for making such a choice. I have no problem treating women as “equals” when its TRUE equality they are seeking (e.g. if a woman hits a man, a man has every right to hit her back in FULL force with no consequence). The more men do not commit to women at all the better for society. Since the stats bear out that women cheat more and are the more adulterous of the sexes, why the f–k would any man with a sense of self-respect and logic waste the time with a modern woman (cum dump slore)? Either DO NOT MARRY PERIOD or commit 100% (both parties) to it.

        • Unreal

          lol

          “I respect women.”

          “modern women are cum dump slores.”

          Bwahahahah!!!

      • BeingReallyHonest

        It is very hard to meet a good woman to marry since most of them are sleeping around so much since many of them just Can’t settle down with just one.

        • Vana

          Really, so men don’t sleep around, huh? Well i am a good woman who dont sleep around but i cant get married because men do not want to. However i still wont sleep around.

          • MEME

            Yes they do but it’s said to see women follow men’s bad examples.

            • Vana

              Well God made men the leaders. Women act better when men demand it. In order for women to change and be better, men must stop being bad examples and change first. You cannot tell a person to stop behaving badly while you reserve that behavior for yourself. They wont take you seriously.

              • MEME

                Yes I agree! men need to change for the positive for For young men and women and be good examples.God made men the leaders with his lady by his side. Today women want to change the roles, not all women of course. These struggles have divided us men and women and it sad and lonely

                • Vana

                  We want to change the roles because men are slacking. They dont want to date, they dont want to marry. They just want to have fun and chase down every pretty women they see. But what happens when the men get older and looking for someone to take care of them. The hos will leave, they dont want to take care of men. Only the good women men ignored will be left and guess what? The good women will now.ignore you.

                • Don Frampton

                  Men don’t want a commitment simply because it does not pay off. Women in America are super bossy. You hear it everyday. “Men are stupid!” “Damn idiot couldn’t tie his shoe without help!” “I make as much/more money than him!” “Who needs a man..we have toys! Feminism is strong and more men are simply having nothing to do with it. Equal rights is not what is happening. The erasing of the male role, butchering and dismemberment is what we are seeing.

                  Then you hear and see the men during and after the divorce. Destroyed! Most of the men end up living poorly. Finances are such that a significant amount of their money is taken from them. Or if the ex-wife was the bread winner, he may still be required to pay towrds their child(ren). Has limited contact with child(ren). If he falls behind even for medical reasons, he may have his driver’s license suspended. May have what money he has in his bank account pulled by the state agency for child services. Homeless and if lucky, will end up placed in jail so he can have a bed and meals.

                  Why would any MAN not want to have this gamble in his future!?

                • Luke

                  Exactly. And then, they ask for mutual respect when they’re constantly berating us or questioning us. WTF? Thank feminism for fucking relationships between men and women up by putting women up on high horses and making sure men have nothing to do with it.

                • Say It Aint So

                  And Vice versa

              • MEME

                You don’t date white guy’s by chance do you?! You do sound like a good women

                • Vana

                  I have never dated a White guy.

                • MEME

                  Maybe you should try a white man? It seems that Most black men like white women. Why do you think that is Vana?There probably isn’t any difference except for color. I know color doesn’t matter to me. How about you?From your writings you are stuck with black men and not open to white men or any other race. This is changing, I am seeing more and more black women with white men and they both seem happy and don’t care what others think

                • Vana

                  Its not most but one out of four black men want white women.. I dont dislike vanilla but most of the time i perfer chocolate. Color and culture separate us. There is also racism from i may suffer from and he will have to hear about whether he is black or white.

                • Vana

                  Well most black men still date and marry black women, only one out of four black men marry outside their race. When racism has been eradicated, then i will think about dating others. My issue is not with color but with culture.

                • Unreal

                  Actually 80 percent of married black men have a black spouse, according to the latest census.

                • Say It Aint So

                  Stop being desperate and stay the hell away from our women, white boy.

              • JR

                There are all kinds but, in general, it has been more women that have abandoned their God ordained submissive role. However your comments are quite true. I am 42 years married, and I demand the respect I get. No respect, no relationship; it’s called the silent treatment, it is recommended in Scripture and it works.

                • Person

                  Wtf do you know about god other than what MAN wrote down in a book back in the days when you could enslave people and frogs supposedly fell from the sky.

          • zocli michael

            obviously they cheat. when you are in a society where 80% of women will cheat on you, all you can do is not be serious toward any relationship unless you want to be a cuck. women act and men react.

          • Theo

            Men sleep around as well but that’s only because there are so many women who put out. If you girls worked together and said “no” men would be forced to grow up. And it’s not ALL the men that sleep around (I sure as hell don’t). Most girls sleep around with a minority of guys. The brawniest and hottest of the bunch.

            Good men study and work hard thinking it’ll pay off in the end only to realize that we’re being settled for by women who have “gotten it out of their system” in their 20’s and now we’re the ones expected to leave the past in the past.

            I can’t shake the feeling that I’m the sucker in all this.

            • BlueLanternMonk

              “Men sleep around as well but that’s only because there are so many women who put out. If you girls worked together and said “no” men would be forced to grow up.” – Theo
              You’re funny! They couldn’t force me to do anything,much less ‘grow up’!

              • Theo

                Haha, well obviously they can’t force men to do anything but they have the power of influence… or at least they did.

                Women set the standards and conditions for marriage and for whatever reason the modern woman is demanding more and offering less, while at the same time relinquishing all the power in a relationship… and it’s hurting everyone (except for players and cheaters). If women collectively quit putting out so easily I’m sure there would be plenty of men who’d choose to marry a good woman (who hasn’t slept around) over a life of celibacy.

                • BlueLanternMonk

                  Women putting out or not, doesn’t bother me; I’m a thirty year old virgin.
                  I can’t provide for their offspring and hypergamous drives and I don’t trust their judgment, in the face of the mysandric court system; so I choose to abstain, indefinitely. How about you?
                  “As in this world there are degrees of evils, so in this world there are degrees of devils.”
                  – John Webster, The White Devil

                • Theo

                  I’m precisely in the same boat as you. I’m 29 and also a virgin, not because I can’t get laid. I have an amazing career, I’m confident, funny and not bad looking, but I have principles. Specifically, I would never have sex with a woman outside of the confines of a loving and committed relationship. The problem is I’m having troubles finding a girl that I’d be willing to commit to. It seems that there are very few people who have morals, values or a code of honor. We’ve become a society of self serving, “freedom without consequence” individuals. I’ve worked hard to get where I am and unfortunately I don’t trust a girl who’s “been around the block” … no body wants to be a sucker and if I can’t find a respectable woman I’d rather be alone.

                • BlueLanternMonk

                  I’m poor, a loser if you will. Even so, I won’t fornicate and I can’t afford the Caliber of woman, that can be trusted. Have a good one!
                  http://iheartinspiration.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/dr-seuss-youer.jpg

                • Theo

                  I’m sorry to hear of your misfortunes :/ Whether or not either of us ever finds anyone, all I can say is don’t ever rely on anyone else for validation! Find out what makes you happy and stick to that. Yes, life is easier for people with money, but even the poorest of people have something to offer and a girl who values money over an honorable man with the desire to better himself in whatever way he can is not a girl worth having. Best of luck!

                  PS That’s an amazing Dr. Seuss quote!

                • BlueLanternMonk

                  ‘Yes, life is easier for people with money, but even the poorest of people have something to offer and a girl es money over an honorable man with the desire to better himself in whatever way he can is not a girl worth having.’ – Theo
                  ….I take this to mean than no woman is worth it…… Even if given a polygraph test, a woman who says that she’ll gladly pay all the bills, even indefinitely; would usually pass. They believe it, before they reach a certain ageor until pregnancy ooccurs. Thus the axiom alpha fux; beta bux. I don’t want to be a bad (see deadbeat dad) father, so I’ve abstained from puberty. Fornication being off the table, from the beginning. Thank you for your advice. Self actualization, is the way to go! http://pm1.narvii.com/5932/3206239c6e76c5606d3f8427e39aca0d67234abd_hq.jpg

                • BlueLanternMonk

                  I missed a step, brother. I was cleaning out my emails and I saw this…:
                  I’m 29 and also a virgin, not because I can’t get laid. I have an amazing career…’
                  – Theo
                  …..I Just turn down two 20-25 year old women, because I don’t want sex only and I *can’t afford to get married*…… What is the problem? Are you short or fat? I do planks and such, to keep in shape…. I’ll help in any way I can. I know how to easily loose fat, from doing itfor sports. *Can’t get laid;* is that even a thing?!
                  https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/92/c0/26/92c0260d5a52fec55c777639b52b160c.jpg

            • DeltaPeng

              “Men sleep around as well but that’s only because there are so many women who put out.” is a pretty bad excuse for men not to own up to their own actions.

              Yes, life would be less complicated and there’d be less temptation if both men and women were more sexually chaste, but every individual is responsible for their own actions (if they choose to be a player or participate in casual sex or form relationships like ‘friends with benefits’).

              • Theo

                I totally agree, men have no excuse and I hold them to the same standards. The problem is that the men who sleep around aren’t victims, they actually benefit from sleeping around so there is no reason for them to change. The women are the ones who pay the price and so its not that the onus is on them to make a stand, but it’s certainly in their best interest.

          • panait ciprian

            well, the problem is this: women between 7 and 29 if they are not patologically fat or severely desfigured will have offers for sex constantly and as such sleeping around is easy. Yes men sleep around too, but most do not even get the chance and even if they do they refuse it. Basically is easy to choose a man that will not sleep around but is hard to find such a woman.

            • Vana

              With men and their sex drives, I doubt highly that men turn down free sex more than women do. Mater of fact, women handle celibacy much better than men do.

              • panait ciprian

                I would not say that women handle celibacy better. On the contrary. Women have way bigger sex drives than men. The difference is they do not have to work for sex until they hit the wall. Also being single is easier for a man usually or it should be if the society would not push them so hard to get married. Women that do not get married usually after they hit the wall they become old cat ladies. About turning down sex when you get offers every 5 minutes (women before they hit the wall) of course it will be easy to turn down free sex. Is simple supply and demand. Before 30ish most women (if they are not morbidly obese or desfigured) have an immense supply of free sex offers . Most men on the other hand hardly have any. So one can understand why it is harder to refuse such offers.

          • Lenny25

            A no-fault left brain hemisphere convince women that they are never at fault and if they are it must be because somebody made them do it therefore take a roll of a 5th grader to refute a legit argument. grow up child. Water seek it’s level. you are probably suffering the Dunning-Kruger Effect: when incompentent people are too incompentent to realise they are incompentent

        • Jessica W

          Men do the same as well. To be honest, both men and women have made marriage a bad deal because of the nonsense they put each other through.

          • zocli michael

            i bet you never read eat, pray, and love

            • Jessica W

              I look at life from both sides of the coin, not just one.

          • Lenny25

            Jessica, i don’t expect you to understand the role of a woman in our society but i will fire away anyway. American women’s traditional role is/was defender of morality. whether you agree or not, women rule the dating scene. when women decide to reward good morals every man will become a white knight in a shining armor when women say faq good morals and promote degeneracy and moral bankruptcy every guy is going to want to be a douche in order to get in the sack. get it? Women attitudes however(when they want to settle) towards dating and relationships are attributed to the demands and social etiquettes that the highest valued men want in eligible Bachelorette. this is why even a whore can claim chastity in the presence of a high value male.

            • Jessica W

              When you put out nonsense, you get nonsense in return. When you give respect, you get respect. It goes both ways with men and women. Until men and women realize this, the battle on whether or not to get married will continue. I look at this from both sides of the coin, not just one unlike you.

      • ABCXYZ

        “It should work both ways in divorce court’ but it is skewed heavily towards Moms to profit layers and Judges. If it were to work both ways than there’d be s split decision = true Equality of Time Sharing with the child(ren) thus child support would also equalize. The system gives Moms a huge incentive to take father to court. Children have no say and if they did they’d want both parents Equally for the most part. “It’s just a shame that men and women have caused so much anger, resentment, and hatred towards each other” how can you say after what I just typed as facts that fathers are causing this inequality?. “Not only men don’t want to get married, women don’t want to get married either” can you blame men for not wanting to risk marriage or common law plus especially not a child? To say women don’t want to marry, this is an “angry” reaction to what men will not risk yet, females ought to admit the Truth of what they and courts are perpetuating. There can be no arguing with these facts. IF the stat of Moms winning 85 to 90% in courts were to be reversed, how would Moms react? The news media would be flooded with this news. “The law is not fair” you said it…it is so corrupt and cruel to fathers and their child(ren) too. “People are not the same, even when it come to this situation” not the same? If you mean the way it use to be for centuries, true. In short, high technologies and government involvement, have taken the NEED that females had for men, practically away entirely. Government has become husband and father to some extent while technologies have opened up tons of non-physical Jobs for females. Many of which are government and a portion unnecessary thus not what the saying calls “real Jobs”. “I’m glad that I don’t have children with my husband” I’m not sure how you can say this because until one has a child, the overwhelming feeling of rearing a child I personally feel, beats having a spouse. “If we ever divorce, I want nothing from him except for him to be out of my life” then you are the exception. “There was a time when I didn’t want to get married because I witnessed a lot of my family getting married, divorced and remarried” and for that same reason, a growing number do not want marriage. “I thought “Damn, if this is how a marriage ends, I don’t want to get married. Just because other people’s marriages fall apart doesn’t mean yours will too.” So you changed your mind. “People don’t realize that you have to work on a marriage” that is exactly what my Grandmother who was a bit of a battle axe said during her marriage of 67 years. “It’s up to both people to stand strong when trouble comes. If they run and hide, it won’t last” a very sound ending sentence to your sharing; it is so true as commitment is essential. One last thing, I believed so strongly in marriage and wanted many children too however, the risks involved with ~ 50 divorce rate with at least 80% initiated by ladies, I can perfectly understand why so many men don’t take the risk…fear is the number one reason along with lacking the funds to date, engagement rings, weddings, etc.

        • Jessica W

          I’ve seen that there are women who don’t want to get married nowadays because they think that they will lose their identity and freedom. Like I said, both men women don’t want to get married because of all the nonsense that’s going on now. I’ve learned what to do and not to do in my marriage from my family members who have married, divorced, and remarried. The reason I don’t have children with my husband is because we did not want to bring a child into this jacked-up world. Plus, he has five children from previous relationships.

          • ABCXYZ

            “I’ve seen that there are women who don’t want to get married nowadays because they think that they will lose their identity and freedom” true, they are out there…this is why they keep their sir name, want to have the freedom of bar hopping, dating whom they wish to, etc.

            “Like I said, both men women don’t want to get married because of all the nonsense that’s going on now” they are truly on both sides however, the big difference is, females by and large still wish to have at least one baby. Whether it be married or in common law. Males are veering away from children at a faster rate than females because of the high risk factors involved especially when a child is born, associated with a break up.

            “I’ve learned what to do and not to do in my marriage from my family members who have married, divorced, and remarried” I see and understand. We 5 children were suppose to have been among the greatest catches in a town of ~ 10,000 ppl where most everyone knew us yet, we have a 60% divorce rate. So when this happens to a popular socio-economic family, it is no wonder the divorce rate has skyrocketed.

            “The reason I don’t have children with my husband is because we did not want to bring a child into this jacked-up world” hmm…yes however, to me children are the most wonderful life-form on this planet. “Plus, he has five children from previous relationships” oh my wow; I can see why then…that is a heck of an undertaking for you; I could not do what you have accomplished. And, most women would not accept this either, calling it too much “baggage”. Good for you.

      • Bob Nath

        Good words. Men definitely like women who think logically and do not cry for favors. Unfortunately there are only a few women left who can think in equal respect.

    • Mark Muffs

      Never married, never will and this is the #1 reason. Plus I never wanted kids. Childfree means freedom.

      • Tyler Doe

        Me either. I never wanted any of that and knew it was a bad bet. And now after watching all my friends take the plunge and end up miserable….I know I was right. I feel like I won the lottery! Remember “women can have it all?” Men can too, without marriage. My best friend just announced he is having twins with his wife that he hates. The kids will be popping out around the time I am in St. John for two weeks. Bummer. I warned him.

        • Mark Muffs

          That is sad but it was a case of he played so now he has to pay. I tried to mentor a young co-worker on that but he wouldn’t listen and he kept making his rounds at the parties and now he has a kid from one of those and it was born with serious health issues and he has since had to give up his truck, his 4 wheeler and other stuff that he worked a lot of hours for. Since I made the post three months ago I now have a girlfriend but she has her own place and I have mine and NO KIDS or grandkids (we’re in our 50s) and no family drama so I lucked out and won’t lose anything.

          • Tyler Doe

            Right on. Well let’s keep enjoying life. Biological instincts and cultural traditions didn’t screw us over. We are the smart ones 🙂

        • Mark

          Why do these guys knock up these bi tches that they hate? Is your best friend nuts? I just don’t get these guys. Do they really have that little self respect?

      • Person

        Me either. I mean I can’t have kids anyway, but I wouldn’t even if I had a choice. I do want a husband though, as long as I don’t have to sign any papers. If you have the same last name, nobody will think twice whether you’re legally married or not if you call them your husband.

        • Mark Muffs

          I wanted the wife too or a special lady to share life and love to no end without any kid talk but between the circumstances and of course the legalities if it went down I just had to shy away. I’m past 60 now, still open to it as long as she is age compatible (55+) and no kids or grandkids in the picture. Merry Christmas and happy 2017 to you!!!

    • Frank Nizzo

      A vagina ridden with multiple STD’s, cunt cretins from all the whoring while they were in the prime SMV, and metric tons of emotional baggage. Truly fools gold err pink colored CRAP.

      • Vana

        What about the men with multiple baby mamas and child support cases, you think a good decent woman has time for that? Not to mention the STDs he has been exposed to.

        • John Raducci

          How much easier is it for women to “get laid” then men. Men have to put in a metric ton more work and effort then women. If you have any sense about you , you will know this to be 100% true.

          • Vana

            Just because something is easier to do doesnt mean you should be doing it. Most women dont want to just get laid. And that is the real issue. We want more than that. Problem is when men only offer sex and wonder why they didnt get any. I am interested in more but the men wont offer more, so they dont get want they want from me.

            • Say It Aint So

              What do you offer that a dog doesn’t?

              • Vana

                Do you have sex with dogs?

                • jeremiah

                  Sex isn’t THAT big of a deal. Its ok, but eh. I’d rather have no sex and a good dog, personally.

                • Vana

                  Wow, a man who doesn’t think sex is a big deal. How refreshing. I don’t think it’s a big deal either and I perfer a cat.

                • jeremiah

                  It just isn’t worth the drama/chaos, egg-shell-walking, dread, and terror. lol sorry.

                • David Madden

                  women dont want sex though — cause connection , kids , money security , half , expenses and a slave is more important ! why would any man – want that ! ?

            • John Davenport

              No women only offer sex, and even that doesn’t last. But she does demand money even when not offering anything except being a bitch.

              • Vana

                you men who need sex so much are trapping yourselves.

              • David Madden

                JOHN this is the best thing i have heard all day – women do only offer sex , they expect a man to be confident Cashed up and Caring slave — do everything for them help them at their worst , when a mans at his worst which i am now at 33 – lost job , broke up with gf , moved back home, lost all our mates cause they were hers — then where is a women – she never stands by her man at the worst times just blames a man for not being strong enough , i can only imagin marriages and bullshit and losing half my house when i get one — and half everything — marriage is really not worth it — i rather re-learn the game fuck hot 20′ women who look nice – have my own kid via egg selection if i had to pass on my wealth and genes , but to be honest kids are dirty little cunts and expensive so when all life has passed i might do it .

              • Bob Nath

                Remember that sex is the enjoyment of both partners. When women engage in sex they get pleasure too, now the smart ones can demand acts which give them orgasm, men never say no…But everything else is what men has to give why? Why women cannot take responsibilty and burden of the family as feminists shout women as equal? Feminists and the old time society has always favored family to secure a nice life for women. Men are forced to just provide stuff for family and take all the heat…I think the time has come when Feminists will learn from the bad seed that they have planted against men and created an overall atmosphere where men are hated. Children are taught that men are bad people and are never allowed to go near. There are equal instances of men and female commiting crimes but men are looked down upon as natural criminals. Sad to see that children suffer due to bad teachings they receive and eventually miss the elderly love and affection from men. Hope feminists are now happy to see that they can live happily alone free of men in their lives. Their ultimate dream is to get rid of men from the face of the earth

        • Adub20

          Another typical female move. Yall are Always trying to deflect whenever the subject is about yall but be the the first ones to bash men 24/7. oops I forgot females are soooo perfect and NEVER do anything wrong. how silly of me… Fuck Outta Here

          • greatguy999

            It is called “reframing”, and women do it without even meaning to. It is the classic female move when it comes to debates and arguments. Endless reframing.

      • Dina Strange

        wow, how angry and bitter you are.

    • Olsen

      I am in my mid 20s and have no intention of dating because of guys like you and DarthW. I see other guys that get stuck having to buy her stuff to keep her happy……no thanks. There is nothing in it for a man.

    • Vana

      Until women get equal pay for equal work will women stop using divorce as a way of life. In the old when when women divorced, they did not get the kids. I don’t know what happened to change that, i guess men didn’t really want to raise their kids alone.

      • Take The Red Pill

        Oh, please…stop with the (disproven multiple times) talking point that is the feminist lie of “77 cents for every dollar”. If anything, women are paid more than men because companies don’t want to have to go through the legal hassle of fighting a false accusation (women’s favorite choice of weapon, after sex).

        • Vana

          In my industry, women are paid less than men, that is an undeniable fact!

          • Pablo Escobar

            If you bring value to a company(putting in the hours, bringing in profit, bringing production costs down), you will get rewarded just like any male for it. You do not get to make an equal amount with a male counterpart just because you have a vagina.

            • Vana

              But if i bring more money and work harder than most men, i would still get laid less because i was female, correct? So it would not make any spence for women to work twice as hard for less money.

              • Pablo Escobar

                My original point is crystal clear.

              • Nope, you’ll get paid like men + all the vag benefits you get along with it.

          • How Do I Advance A Plot?

            Cite hard statistics. Keep personal bias out of it, such as feeling yourself drawn towards feelings of entitlement. If you want to be heard, debate accurately, factually, and without emotional bias. It is the only way to be taken seriously. I can not take you seriously.

          • Take The Red Pill

            So why aren’t you reporting that fact to the EEOC? Or the media? Or a lawyer?

          • Ha! anecdotal evidence isn’t always accurate.

      • MEME

        They should get equal for equal work. As for them using divorce, they may not have a choice because men are not marrying. I know what happened with women now getting the kids, they threatened there political Husbands to make the change or you will get no sex and or I will divorce you. Some type of black mail in there somewhere

      • Tyler Doe

        until women start working as hard as men, they won’t get paid equally. Good try though. Want to have babies? Want to stay home and not work and raise babies? Want to hang out at Starbucks while men are working on certifications and Master’s Degrees? Keep it up. You will never be paid equally.

        • Mark

          The wage gap is a total myth anyways. It’s been debunked so many times it’s not even funny anymore.

          • Tyler Doe

            No, it exists. It’s the difference between how much a woman spends on a shopping spree and the amount of her last paycheck. lol. Better hope you meet Prince Charming or you will end up a broke-down, poor, cougar roaming the hotel bars!

      • DarthW

        The gender pay gap is a liberal lie. Two very obvious pieces of illogic in the idea that a pay gap exists: First, most HR personnel and managers in businesses are female, and so they know the pay rates of the employees there. If a company in this day and age were pushing an agenda to assure female workers doing the same jobs as male workers, all these female HR workers would have to be in collusion with the companies. Second, if businesses still though they could get away with paying women less for the same work, they would simply be hiring way more women and male unemployment would skyrocket because businesses could save lots of money on the bottom line if they could get away with such.

        As for the stats that liberals will point to about the mythical pay gap, if you look at male and female pay as a whole there appears to be a pay gap. However, when you look at individual job fields there is none. By looking at all jobs for both genders, the higher paying dangerous jobs or jobs that involve a lot of extra overtime or on call are more often occupied by men, because men are more willing to take on the danger or have the time flexibilitiy than women are often willing or able. Women can get into those fields (and it’s truly great they can), but they more often have no interest in the risk, time, etc. So many more men are in the higher paying jobs, and when the math is done including these jobs, the stats make it appear that men earn more for the same jobs…and it’s not accurate.

        I remember Jennifer Lawrence talking once on the news about not getting paid as much as her male counterparts on a movie. When put to the test, she admitted finally that she simply didn’t hold out in negotiations for pay on the film because she was “afraid” or “didn’t want to make someone mad”. Really she didn’t get paid because SHE DIDN’T negotiate or get her agent to negotiate for more. I would argue she had the same opportunity to make as much as the men, but by her own admittance simply didn’t push it. That’s feminism and equality ladies, you have to be able to come to the table and get what you think you deserve when salaries are negoatiated as the business is looking to save money.

        • Marc Brown

          I think we are witnessing that:

          [you have to be able to come to the table and get what you think you deserve when salaries are negotiated as the business is looking to save money.]

          Women will not only demand fairness, but will become outright ruthless in getting way more than anything even close to resembling fair when they know they can get away with it. I present most divorce laws/results as my evidence.

          Now….. if the roles were reversed (which I believe they will be in the distant future) I have no doubt that men would act the same way.

          Then, at that time, and only at that time based on EVERYTHING I have witnessed by the overall thought process by women as a whole since equality has started failing them by become “over-imbalanced”, ….. only then will they realize how badly they have fucked themselves.

          ”’wait a second- now I have to make all the money, do everything and then give it all up to men just because they didn’t have a job (or as good of a job) as I do? And they get the kids by default? That’s bullshit”’

          I understand absolutely how women have been treating shitty by men up until now, I truly do. However, the reaction that has taken placed, based purely on emotion and crowd mentality, is not making the world a better place… for men or women. If I may oversimplify it for ease of explaining- it’s like like harming everyone around you out of spite without putting any thought or logic into the consequences…. and this is a very woman thing to do. Guys do it too, but in much smaller numbers. It’s almost humorous to see ti play out on such a large scale. …. if it weren’t so sad.

      • F*** off, until employers get women to do the same amount and work as many hours as men. Just the other day I read that women are pushing to have paid “that time of the month” days off…. oh and will continue to bitch about this gender pay gap – which has been debunked over and over and over, hell even my highly feminist publications such as Time magazine, Huffington post and many more. You women who are never happy will still never be happy until every man is homeless after being regulated out of even being hired.

        • BlueLanternMonk

          You said it! I say a little Affirmative Action,for men and on women’s dime,is in order.
          “I told you not to bother me in the field. What do you want ?” – Maverick

        • Bob Nath

          True. This is another BS where feminists want equal pay for women when men do more work.When I visit HomeDepot or Menards, I see that women nicely take the fancy cashier jobs while they will call their male counterparts to lift the 50 lb salt bags for customers. When men are doing tough jobs how these moron feminists claim to have equal pay for women? Are they blind or crazy?

    • Very true, for me I keep looking for a wife as I do enjoy the company of a woman but it’s just not working. I find that the young ones (which I prefer) are too busy with other men, the older ones have mega baggage from past relationships, abortions, and men constantly going to bat for their bad behavior. Let’s not forget the older ones have massive debt due to easy credit cards or school loans which has priced them completely out of marriage market in a world where men are responsible for all things women do including their debts. The super old ones – I’m completely not interested in and I’d rather be alone if that’s all I had to choose from. That leaves early teenagers and preteens… lol, and that is just sick. There is really no hope. It was stated before: In these day’s their will be no love. I’m going to at least try to get out of the country and maybe I’ll find hope somewhere else. I’d rather live in a 3rd world and have family than to live in this paradise without…

    • Queen Israel

      Originally it was the complete opposite… not that facts seem to matter to you people… since the first known divorce of Henry the 8th… a quick factual history or divorce… created by and ran by men…

      “The Church of England’s resistance to divorce was so strong that the only route to a divorce was via an act of Parliament—a law voted through by both houses. Not surprisingly, few people had the means or inclination to expose their private unhappiness to the press, the public and 800-odd politicians. When a divorce law was finally enacted in 1857, and the “floodgates” were opened, the number of divorces in English history stood at a mere 324.

      Only four of the 324 cases were brought by women. A husband needed to prove adultery to obtain a divorce. By contrast, a wife was required to prove adultery and some other especially aggravating circumstance to have the same grounds. Over the years, women learned that brutality, rape, desertion and financial chicanery did not count. In fact, Parliament seemed hard pressed to say what did, until Jane Addison launched her case in 1801. She won on the basis of Mr. Addison’s adultery and incest with her sister in the marital home.

      Before Mrs. Addison’s successful suit, the best a woman could hope for was a legal separation. Such arrangements were under the jurisdiction of the church courts. Litigants of either sex could sue for separation on the basis of life-threatening cruelty or adultery. Women who obtained a divortium a mensa et thoro (separation from bed and board) could live apart from their husbands, often on an allowance fixed by the court. The process was expensive and tortuous—hence there were only a few dozen cases a year—and at the end, no matter what the grounds for the separation, a wife was still required to be chaste and obedient to her husband. Unless there were truly extenuating circumstances, she could expect to lose custody of her children, too.

      One of the earliest instances of a divorce law was in the Colony of Massachusetts Bay, who created a judicial tribunal that dealt with divorce matters in 1629. This legislative body was allowed to grant divorces on the basis of adultery, desertion, bigamy and in many cases impotence as well. In the North, the colonies adopted their own approaches that made divorce available whereas the southern colonies did all they could to prevent the act even if they did have legislation in place.

      After 1776, divorce law was less restrictive. Hearing divorce cases took the legislature away from what they deemed as more important work, so it was handed to the judiciary where it remains today. The big problem at the time, for women, at least, was that they were a legal non-entity in the sense that it was difficult for them to claim ownership of property or financial assets which worked against them in the case of a divorce.

      The Married Women’s Property Acts in 1848 went some way to rectifying this, however throughout the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries divorce remains relatively uncommon if we think of how much it is used today and women were at a tremendous disadvantage from the get go.

      By the end of the 18th century, there were numerous ‘divorce mill’ states or places such as Indiana, Utah, and the Dakotas where you could go and get a divorce. Many towns provided accommodation, restaurants, bars and events centered on this trade. In 1887, Congress ordered the first compilation of divorce statistics at a federal level to see how big the ‘problem’ had become.

      The Inter-Church Conference on Marriage and Divorce was held in 1903 in an attempt to use religion to ensure that divorce was kept to a minimum. However with the onset of feminism and the general relaxation of views towards divorce from a societal and moral standpoint, the practice was gaining traction.

      In the 1920’s trial marriages were established that allowed a couple to try a marriage without actually being married; not having kids or any lifelong financial commitments. In a way it was simply two people of the opposite sex living in the same quarters however for the time, it was a new concept and was one of the first ways in which the law tried to accommodate prenuptial contracts. In fact, marriage counseling was beginning to become popular as well and represented the recognition that a problem existed even if they law did not strictly prohibit it.

      As the years rolled by and the nation found itself embroiled in two world wars, divorce took a back seat as far as lawmakers were concerned. However, the Family Court system that started in the 1950’s was the first time in decades that the legislature and judicial system in the US tackled the divorce issue.

      For years, couples had to go through the traditional court system to get a divorce or, at least, plead their case to do so. However with new laws in the place that established the Family Court, this created a way for judges to ratify agreements between couples for divorce that had been previously created. While the law used to ensure that a case had to be heard in a court of law, this now changed.

      Possibly the biggest change to divorce law in the United States in its history came with no-fault divorces in the 1970’s. Up until now there still had to be a party at fault. Even in the Family Courts, there was still a need for an adulterer or such like to be identified and then for the terms of the divorce to be agreed however with the change in the law then a divorce could be granted if neither party was at fault.

      California led the way in 1969 however it wasn’t until the 1970’s that other states (Iowa being the second) adopted the law. In many respects, it was enacted to bring down the cost of divorce regarding hiring lawyers and expensive court fees from drawn out trials that didn’t come to fruition. Divorce lawyers and financial advisors all still profited greatly from divorce proceedings even if both parties simply wanted to split and move on.

      Something that this change in the law didn’t focus on was child custody, and it remained a neglected topic. Laws to address this included:

      The Uniform Child Custody Jurisdiction Act in 1968
      Parent Kidnapping Act in 1980
      The Hague Convention on International Child Abduction in 1986

      While the law has attempted to create a fair an equal child custody process, it still isn’t quite right in many respects and even with the legislation that has been enacted over the years there remains work to do.

      For years men got to throw women out and keep the kids and women couldn’t even see the children she bore if the husband did not wish it; as women could not own property or secure financial work the men always had full custody. Now a days it goes in the complete opposite direction, with women getting the upper hand and men finding it harder and harder for the courts to side with them.

      How about instead of complaining about something you guys did to women for centuries and trying to play the victims, you admit how it went in the past was wrong and how it goes now is also wrong and there needs to be some sort of in the middle compromise of these two extremes. FVI the real victims are the kids.

    • David Fife

      Remember, When men marry, its for love. They want you just the way you are. When women marry, its a business decision. For women, love, is the same thing as warm feelings for the man and the prestige, social status, access to capital, lifestyle and all other things he’ll bring to the marriage. But remeber, its a business decision first and foremost. For women, love means all of those beneficial adjectives as listed above. They are interchangable with the word love when this is transfered to her.

      • Dina Strange

        nonsense.

  • Truth

    Very hard these days to find a Good decent woman to connect with.

    • Jessica

      That is true. It’s also difficult for a woman to a good decent man to conncet with. That’s what happens when the sexes battle each other. Nothing left but anger, resentment, and hatred towards men and women.

      • rawr

        most men are good men, at least 70%. not all of them are going to be rich or hot, but they’re unique men of character and intrigue. can you say the same about yourself? the more women i’ve met the more i’ve realized that beyond a nice face and hips most women aren’t really anything special, nor do they have the strength of character to be the kind of person you can depend on when things go to shit. most women have nothing to offer men beyond their bodies, and anything else that they can offer a man beyond that, he or his male friends can do equal or better.

        • Jessica

          Actually, yes I can. I don’t sugar-coat or beat around the bush. I don’t run and hide when things go ape shit because nothing will get solved that way. Men and women both need to face everything head on instead of running like scared little boys and girls. BTW rawr, I am married. I look at life from both sides, not just one.

      • SeriouslySpeaking

        Well with the kind of women that are out there these days, many of us will Not waste our time.

        • Jessica

          It’s both men and women that are doing things to each other as well as the jacked-up man-made laws everyone voted on that make marriage a bad deal for both sexes. It’s not just the women’s fault, men play a part in this as well.

          • SeriouslySpeaking

            Well for many of us men that are still single as i speak, i always wanted to get married and have a family just like so many others that were very Blessed to have, and the times that we’re living in now does make it much more difficult for us. Most of the women out there really Don’t want to get married anymore today like years ago which many of them Did. Times have certainly changed, and so many women have changed as well. To see so many of our family members that were very Blessed to meet one another years ago and have a family was a very good thing for them since meeting one another was certainly Much Easier for them which it is Not for many of us, and thanks to them that is why many of us are here today.

            • Jessica

              Absolutely. Times have changed for both the best and worst. I am married and blessed to have a family. I do understand why both men and women don’t want to get married because I look at both perspectives. I also agree that if it weren’t for those who did marry, we wouldn’t be here. It’s sad that men and women don’t want to get married because they’re too busy trying look for the next notch in their belts, focusing on careers (not necessarily bad), feeling like their losing their freedom, and don’t want to lose everything they worked hard for. Material things can be replaced. A husband or wife can not.

              • SeriouslySpeaking

                Like i have mentioned with my last comment, many of us good men that really wanted to get married and have a family are certainly Not single by choice since for us it is really very extremely hard finding the right woman to connect with which we really Can’t blame ourselves at all. What makes it very hard for us men is that with much more women today that are very high maintenance, independent, selfish, very spoiled, and very greedy, really makes it very difficult for us finding love today since many women also are very Career minded which many of them do think their all that too which makes it worse. And how Can a good man like many of us find a good woman that is Not like that today? It is very hard for a woman today that would Accept us for who we are since we Don’t make the kind of money that they are making now. I really wish that i was born many years earlier when it was so much Easier finding love in those days just like our parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles did which it was certainly much Easier for them, and both men and women really had to Struggle to make ends meat too which many of the women back then Never knew the meaning of what a high maintenance woman was. As you can see how very hard for us men today that have to Suffer for this. And it is true what they say that married men will live much longer than single men which i can see why.

                • Jessica

                  I agree. Believe it or not, men have also become selfish, spoiled, and greedy too. It’s difficult for both sexes to find love these days. It’s refreshing to see a man who refuses to give up on getting married because he truly wants to and won’t let other people’s bad experiences deter him from achieving that. Just be patient and one day your wife will come. Keep doing well.

                • SeriouslySpeaking

                  Thank you very much for your support.

                • Jessica W

                  You’re welcome.

                • Luke

                  You can argue that our behavior is heavily influenced by the way women, our mothers or sisters or wives have treated us. The statistics on the amount of men in prison who grew up in single-mother households are real and really accurate.

                • Jessica W

                  That’s because those men allowed themselves to hang out with the wrong people. A woman can’t teach a boy how to be a man. A woman can do all that she can to teach her son, but ultimately, it takes a man to help a boy become a man. If these boys had a male figure in their lives who were trustworthy, this wouldn’t be an issue. When a man leaves out of a boy’s life, of course that boy is going to give his mother hell and not listen to her. If a boy won’t listen to his mother who is doing the best she can to raise him, he will end up in prison instead of being successful. He will have no one to blame but himself because he chose to go down that road.

                • Luke

                  Really? Mothers aren’t capable of guiding a boy into manhood? Tell that to my mother, god rest her. If women can’t help a boy feel proud and confident enough in being a responsible, caring man, then it’s simply because these mothers / wives don’t care enough to learn. Women want men to be more sensitive and understanding. It should go both ways in respect to both genders. As long as these mothers refuse to raise their boys to love themselves, these boys will grow up showing disrespect and hate for themselves and subsequently others around them.

                • Jessica W

                  Some mothers can; some can’t. When you get down to it, it still takes a man to help a boy become a man. Like I said, if men didn’t abandon these boys, women wouldn’t have to be the fathers to their boys.

                • Luke

                  It’s not just women being high maintenance. It’s not just women who are so fickle and narcissistic. Now, we have to worry whether or not these women want anything to do with men. They’re either incredibly gay or incredibly non-sexual. They’ve also been propagandized to fear men so much that the simple act of pursuing them for an intimate relationship is now seen as predatory. So, what the fck is a guy to do??

              • DarthW

                Apparently husbands can be easily replaced. 70% of the time, and up to 90% of the time if the wife has a college education, it is the wives who initiate that divorce to get them that husbands money, and then replace him with the next one.

                • Jessica W

                  If the husband isn’t doing what he’s supposed to do as a husband, what makes you think a woman will stay with him? You need to look at both sides of the coin instead of one.

                • DarthW

                  There are certainly divorces initiated by wives that are for legit reasons, but if 70%+ (in some reports up to 90% of the time wives with college educations initiate divorce) that tells me an awful lot of women are simply not using brains to pick spouses for the long term, or the wives are simply bored, or easily dissatisfied and fickle. So, in more cases I believe the stats show women are more often simply not good risks for guys to marry.

                  Besides, when women divorce the court systems give most ex-wives the house, cars, money, alimony, and other parting gifts. Which is more of a motivator for women to file. All those parting gifts. Men generally get to pay, and pay.

                  I do look at both sides. However, I favor men’s sides cause we get a royal screwing (except sexually – wives legs close up after the nuptials most of the time) when we get married.

                • Jessica W

                  Did it occur to you that after men get married sometimes they become lazy, spoiled and selfish as well? They too deprive women sexually and have the nerve to expect their wives to cater to them. And they wonder why they end up bitter and lonely. It looks to me those so-called stats are referring to white women. I bet only a very small percentage come from other races. If a person doesn’t do right (male or female) by their marriage, of course they’re going to pay financially and/or with their lives.

                • DarthW

                  If men are “as fickle as women” as you say, the stats don’t bear that out since it is WIVES who initiate most divorces. The stats don’t mention race from any I’ve seen.

                  As for men expecting her to cater to him, again a woman who finds herself in a marriage like that didn’t pay attention to what his expectations were. She ignored sense and later instead of trying to make the marriage work, she divorces.

                  Yes men play a part, apparently 30% of the time, or less, depending upon the report. Women play a much larger part. What’s laughable is that women hold themselves up as if they were the gauge or thermometer knowing what relationships are all about – thanks to Oprah-like shows that cater to the silly notion that women have an idea how relationships should work better than men. Women have no idea how relationships with men should work, and so they shouldn’t marry a man and take his earnings when she decides to leave.

                • Jessica W

                  Some men also don’t know how a relationship works with women either. It’s sad that both sexes make marriage a bad deal for themselves. I know how a relationship with a man is supposed to work. That’s why my marriage is successful and happy because we work as a team to make things happen. Most men and women are not willing to do so and wonder why they’re having so much hell. If men and women would stop battling each other when it comes to relationships and marriages, life would be so much more pleasant. Stats have very little to with men being fickle. All who are human beings can be fickle and become bored with their spouses. Gender does not matter. If you want to run with trash instead of working it out with your spouse, then stay out with the trash. This goes for both men and women.

                • DarthW

                  I do agree with you on some points there actually.

                  It’s simple, if there is a chance one is going to get “fickle” or “bored” in a relationship, then simply date and when the fickleness or boredom hits, you go your separate ways, and move on. Western women, however want to get married so they can lock a guy in legally, and yet the stats indicate that wives are double the fickleness. LOL. That doesn’t mean all divorces aren’t legitimately needed, but with the crazy divorce rates, why would anyone with sense take the risk? For love? LOL She’ll love me all the way to the divorce. Fickleness and boredom are rampant, so no one – man or woman – should lock themselves into marriage, but given the court system especially men.

                  At one time I though marriage had value. Given the regular splits of couples, seeing decent men get taken in the process after the divorce, no way I see it having any value now. Women want to marry, and the best way to get back at them for their abuse of power is to simply not step into the trap.

                • Jessica W

                  Just because divorce is rampant doesn’t mean that all marriages are going to end that way. I still say it’s wealthy white women doing all these things. Other races of women divorce with valid reasons. It just seems to me that you are a man scorned because you married the wrong woman and got burned. It takes two to make a marriage sweet and two to make it go bad. People don’t want to work on their marriages when trouble comes. They would rather run with the trash instead of working it out with their spouse. Ultimately, you get what you put into marriage. I don’t see marriage as a trap. Get with someone who wants the same things and works with you toward those goals. Some people come in your life for a lifetime; the majority come for a season. You will always mess up mixing seasonal people with lifetime expectations. Not only that, if you can’t give a person what they truly need and want, it’s not going to work.

                • DarthW

                  Nope, never been married and FAR, FAR from scorned. After seeing the state of marriage I am oh so glad I never got suckered into it.

                  And I agree with you that some marriages don’t necessarily end badly, and there are a few that are happy – or seem to be. And they are what people put into them. But at a 60% divorce rate (again most initiated by wives), and there are probably another large percentage who remain married and hate it, that leaves a very small percentage of people who are happily betrothed. And so a large percentage of reasons not to take the risk at all, especially if you are a man with assets, or a man who will have assets.

                  And if the majority of people “come for a season”, since none of us can truly know the rare ones who will remain for that lifetime it’s simply better to date them for that season and not get legally bound.

                • VetteMan

                  AFBB

                • Jessica W

                  You’ll be able to tell who will be there for you in your life for a lifetime or a season by simply observing the person you are with. You should also ask yourself why you want to date that person. Enticement is a mfer. I guess I’m a rarity that is willing to make my marriage work. My grandmother gave me one piece of advice. Being married once is enough. If it works, yippie!! If not, oh well. At least I gave it a shot. Not many people can say that.

                • DarthW

                  Well, if it doesn’t work out after the first marriage, I don’t see why anyone would try a second time. I honestly don’t understand why someone would try it the first time either, obviously :), but there was a time in my life I did ponder that first time as well….and then I got smart. LOL.

                  I do understand much of what you are saying. And I do think that much of the time if you spend enough time with someone you get a vibe of who will stay and who won’t. I’m thankful to have a couple good friends who have been nearly a lifetime….but I wouldn’t marry them. 🙂

                  It sounds like you have a brain and you and your husband have something good going. I hope your husband is of the same mind. Still, wouldn’t risk marriage for the world, and I discourage all men to do so. When enough women can’t find a decent, hard-working guy to marry because enough of we guys are tired of getting reamed by women leaving the marriage, cleaning us out, taking our kids, and getting all that help from the family courts, then maybe women will turn on their sisters who have simply made marriage a bad deal for we men.

                • Jessica W

                  Don’t get me wrong. I don’t like how these laws are affecting men. My husband and I talk about this as well. It’s bad enough that my husband loses half of his paycheck to child support. That is ridiculous, but that’s Missouri state law for you. I used to didn’t want to get married at one time myself because I’ve watched too many of my family members get married, divorced, and remarried. Then I had to change my thinking because just because their marriages didn’t work doesn’t mean mine won’t work. My grandmother said it best. Being married once is enough. I agree with her on that. Thank you for the compliment Darth. Nothing wrong with being cautious and not wanting to marry. It does piss me off that women and men have made marriage a bad deal for each other. The laws are no better because in the end, everyone suffers.

                • DarthW

                  And understand that to me child support for one’s children is necessary when reasonable. Alimony is absolutely NOT ever OK, and as women are making more in the workplace now I imagine the alimony laws will change when more women have their ex-husbands gold digging them for alimony like women have for decades.

                • Jessica W

                  I have heard of women being required to pay alimony to an ex. To be honest, nobody should pay anything except support for the children. Luckily, I don’t have to worry about that. If my husband and I ever divorce, I don’t want anything from him except for him to be out of my life. Another good thing is that we don’t have children together. He has children from previous relationships. It wouldn’t surprise me if the laws do change. Only time will tell on that note.

                • Unreal

                  “wealthy white women doing all these things. Other races of women divorce with valid reasons. ”

                  Projection of the worst kind.

                  Actually college educated upper middle class people — regardless of race — are the least likely to divorce. Google it and see the stats for yourself.

                • Jessica W

                  Like I said, most of of them are white. I’ve seen enough cases. Call it what you want. Observe up close and personal.

                • Unreal

                  Ok. But you do realize that your personal circle of friends is not automatically representative of the entire population. Right?

                • Jessica W

                  It doesn’t matter. I don’t have friends. It’s an observation of other people. They don’t have to be your friends. Unlike most people, I observe the things around me, not go on a computer to Google for stats that were probably made up.

                • Unreal

                  LOL. Research studies conducted by scientists are made up but your interpretation of distant observations of people you don’t know (also known as assumptions) are the gospel. OK.

                • Jessica W

                  LMAO. Seeing is believing.

                • Unreal

                  Let me see if I can say it another way: It’s possible for you to have one experience and someone else — or lots of other people — to have a very different experience. Your experience is not wrong, it’s your experience. It’s just not a given that it applies to the rest of the world. Make sense?

                • Jessica W

                  I guess you don’t believe that so-called scientific research can be altered and manipulated. When you see things with your own eyes, it can apply to the rest of the world. Like I said, stats mean nothing if you haven’t observed with your eyes up close and personal.

                • Unreal

                  It’s actually not that hard to discern credible research from BS.

                  Just like it’s not hard to discern a person interested in knowledge and new ideas from someoene only interested in validation of their opinions at all costs.

                • Jessica W

                  Yeah, I bet in your world.

                • Unreal

                  Ok, Jessica…

                  Based on my observations:

                  Black men are criminals.

                  Black women have bad attitudes and are mostly undateable.

                  People in the south and Midwest are far less intelligent than people on the east and west coast.

                  White frat boys are rapists.

                  Christians are racist hypocrites.

                  People who are against gay marriage are closeted homosexuals.

                • Jessica W

                  Lmao. That’s on you. Not everyone thinks like you.

                • Unreal

                  It’s called hypocrisy.

                • Jessica W

                  No shit.

                • Unreal

                  when you educate yourself and open your mind enough to realize that you are not the purveyor of truth, and that being opinionated is not the same thing as being intelligent, “holla” at me. I won’t hold my breath.

                • Jessica W

                  You can be intelligent and opinionated at the same time. Nice talking to you.

                • Unreal

                  Ok so if a woman finds herself married to an a–, she should have picked better.

                  But if a man finds himself married to a b—-, it’s not his fault because all women are two faced cheating lying whores who tricked them.

                  Sure.

                • DarthW

                  I didn’t say “all”, but you did. A Freudian slip I suspect. What I’m saying it the stats bear out that women are most at fault for the failing marriages, yet women walk away more often with the house, his 401K, alimony, the kids, the bulk of the recipients of child support. Women aren’t that great at marriage, but they also, most often, get the financial rewards in a divorce.

                • Unreal

                  70% of women initiating divorce does not mean 70% of men are blameless. Have you ever actually researched this or questioned this red pill favorite talking point at all?

                  “Women aren’t that great at marriage.” How so? Again your credibility would be greatly enhanced by backing up your opinions with facts.

                • DarthW

                  The facts are in the stats. In the divorces initiated by wives where the guy is at fault, in those cases SHE did not do her due diligence to make sure he was compatible, not a POS, etc. And in the divorces where he is a good guy SHE is divorcing a good guy. It’s one or the other. Women have brains, and should pay attention to the qualities of the guys they marry so they don’t have to initiate so many divorces, wouldn’t you say. And then there will always be the wives who simply get “bored” or don’t think a decent guy is spending enough money on them, or thing the grass is greener on the other side, so these women divorce good guys.

                • Unreal

                  So once again, men are never at fault for the failure of a marriage, only women.

                  I’ve seen studies that over half of married men cheat and as many as 80% watch porn. I guess men “aren’t that great at marriage” either. Oh wait, no, that’s women’s fault too!

                  Are men ever responsible for anything in your view?

                • DarthW

                  I didn’t say men are not at fault. After all, many of them are at fault for being weak and giving in to her insistence that they must get married. Men have plenty of examples around them where a divorce happened, the man was the primary earner in the marriage, but he ended up paying and paying when the divorce came because family courts favor women. Further, if a guy is a deadbeat, he is at fault for being a deadbeat, and hard working men don’t respect deadbeats, but if a woman married a deadbeat (and yes, he was usually an obvious deadbeat when they were dating), then she has a large fault in marrying him.

                  Just as many wives cheat as men these days.

                  Obviously , at least 20 to 30% of the time it is the men initiating the divorces. I’m sure some of these are divorces from nice wives.

                  Let’s be real though, it isn’t men who generally insist on marriage these days. Men get married to please the woman they supposedly fall in love with, not because society demands such any longer. Women, most of the time, insist on relationships “moving forward” which means towards a legal arrangement that makes the male part of the relationship very vulnerable, and doesn’t put her at much risk at all. Often she finally gives an ultimatum, the weak guy gives in. And most women and men I’ve seen marry, usually – not always, but by far most of the time, the woman brings little to nothing financially to the marriage, quits her job soon after the marriage or always has a low stress, hence low paying gig for the duration. While the man works a higher earning salary, pays most or all the bills, and waits for the inevitable divorce, usually initiated by her, where she will be facilitated by the family courts to take the house, the car, the kids, etc. If feminism were fair, she would get the percentage based on her salary and what she contributed to the marriage…since we’re all supposedly equal now and all.

                • Unreal

                  “And most women and men I’ve seen marry, usually – not always, but by far most of the time, the woman brings little to nothing financially to the marriage, quits her job soon after the marriage or always has a low stress, hence low paying gig for the duration. ”

                  Not what I see at all so let’s chalk this up to a difference in the circles we travel in. OK?

                  Sadly there are SO many women who agree that the courts need to handle divorce and custody in a much more equal way. Of course we’re also likely to be the ones you trash and alienate when you call us “careerist c–nts” and “evil feminazis.” Because you’ve bought the line that feminists want biased family courts. You’d be surprised to know who is in fact behind the twisted family laws today, but I’m sure you wouldn’t believe it.

                • Luke

                  That’s a great excuse to keep allowing people jump in and out of intimate relationships as easily as going through the drive-thru. Whatever happened to giving your partner the benefit of the doubt or giving them a chance, because they are human beings and are therefore never going to be perfectly performing robots??

                • Jessica W

                  Some people deserve a chance. Many don’t. If people want a lifetime marriage, then people need to stop acting like they’re seasonal people. This goes for men and women. What one person won’t do, another person will.

            • DarthW

              Actually every woman I meet wants to get married….yet, of course, they bring nothing financially beneficial to the contract, and in fact often bring piles of baggage (debt, kids, ex-husbands, drama) for me to get to pay for with my good income, home, paid for vehicles, 401K and IRA. While I know there are some women out there who are an exception, most women bring nothing of benefit to a relationship, so in marrying a successful guy the relationship is a win for her in marriage and often a win when she divorces the guy thanks to the courts. For a guy it’s a lose-lose on both points.

              Most of the guys I know who are married – and many divorced – have/had wives who “lost” their jobs or downgraded their careers severely after they got ahold of his wallet. Many of them decided AFTER telling him otherwise before the marriage (like the lie she tells about “I want sex often” before he signs his name on the contract) that she would be a “career woman” and provide half to the household like feminism claims — and then she didn’t.

              Jessica, you may be giving your finances to the household, but for every 1 of your there are 20 women doing the opposite.

              No thanks to marriage. Guys, life is better, sex is better, and there is always more money in your pocket when you stay single and free.

              • Jessica W

                Obviously it’s mostly white women because black, hispanic, asian, and other races of women don’t do what is being said that’s done. That’s on everyone else if they want to be single and alone. Just don’t ask for a good woman because no woman in her right mind wants to deal with bitter men like you. Not all women have baggage, want to get married and have kids, etc. Too bad you allowed your bad experiences dictate your future. If you fall, who’s going to help you back up since you’re alone?

          • mack

            bad deal for both sexes?? seriously? its a win win situation for a women if she can find some sucker to marry her and then divorce him she won the jackpot; a lifetime check. thats the only reason women wants so much to marry and us guys know it .we wont fall for it no more . MGTOW

            • Jessica

              Actually, not all women are like that. I’m married myself and I don’t think like that. I wanted to marry because I truly wanted to spend the rest of my life with him. I didn’t and still don’t care about material things because those can be replaced. A husband or wife can not. Women sometimes don’t want to marry because she may feel like she is losing her freedom and identity and feel that she has higher goals instead of looking after some man and a bunch of screaming kids. I’m sorry that you feel this way. Just forgive the women who did you wrong and move on because right now they still have power over you. Let go and let God (if you believe).

              • mack

                Jessica this is not about you . Every message ive read from you , you phreaking talk about you you you , that since your not like that as its a valid reason to think ALL women arent like that. You miss the point completely . it doesnt matter if there are a few exceptions. it doesnt even matter if a lot of women supposedly wouldnt do that, What matters is that since the laws are the way they are , every single women is ALLOWED by law to do what i said if they so wish. its left to their own judgement to destroy a man or not . and if you dont have your eyes vision closed like some horse and if your willing to be honest , you will admit that a shit ton of women had and wont have no problem to do so.
                Laws are in such a way that the only garantee a man has that she wont destroy him is her own word. And guess what most peoples WORD and PROMESSES have zero value, therefore even if your a good women just your word ISNT GOOD ANUFF and therefore with those laws of today no MAN should ever married period!
                really stop talking about yourself as if its a valuable counter. its not , at best your just a rare exception who doesnt make the general rule false.

                • Jessica

                  It’s true that anybody can make their mouth say anything. Actions speak the loudest. I can’t speak for all women, only myself. Yes, the laws are not fair. I don’t look at just one side. I look at both. No need to be bitter and take your frustration out on me because you choose to only look at one side of the coin instead of both.

                • mack

                  whatever

                • Jessica

                  Yeah, I know.

                • Wild Dog

                  Back in the 1950s everybody knew of somebody who HAD to get married. By nature woman gives birth and MUST take responsibility for her baby. By nature man experiences no such thing automatically. Depending on how the woman has behaved the man’s own paternity may be a question mark. Thus where woman has responsibility by default man has to be made to want to take that same responsibility. Should a young maiden get pregnant back then the man who was seen around her had to assume responsibility or face the wrath of the whole community! But what happened if the girl, instead, behaved like a prostitute? How can the community be sure who the father is? How can the man and his family be sure who the father is? Should the man commit? Yes man had to protect woman, had to provide for woman and child throuhout his life. And yes woman was entitled to a house without working for it, entitled to manage it as she deemed fit and entitled to have all hers and her children’s needs met through the man’s wage. But woman was also required to behave properly to maintain paternity certainty, to be obedient as a last resort and to provide homemaking services and sex. Compare this to todays society where woman can have all her traditional wifely entitlements but without the traditional duties that needed to be done to earn them! Man say dug down, woman says “who are you to give me orders?” – well then don’t be surprised chivalric code flies out the window! Father says what are you wearing, who you going out with? Girl says I’m not your property, I can go out with whoever I want, dress however I want and fuck whoever I want. So father says fine pay for your own marriage, you don’t need my permission or dowry and why should I be bothered since I’m not involved in the decision-making process at all? [I have my own retirement scheme to pay instead!] Men for their parts are saying this to women – do whatever you want, take care of yourselves and cater for yourselves, it’s your body do what you want.

                  So you see by nature woman has to take responsibility for the consequences of sex but man has to be made to want to take that responsibility and this was previously done by imposing duties and corrsponding entitlements to each gender in a gender roles covenant where man and woman would complement each other. You win some you lose some. Our current marriage covenant has been altered by feminists so that woman has no duties to fulfill anymore [except at her discretion] but is entitled to the same entitlements under the old covenant! Man on the other hand – the gender that has to be made to want to take family responsibility – is still required to fulfill his traditional duties but is instead denied the entitlements that used to come with it [exceptions courtesy of woman’s discretion]! Are you surprised marriage isn’t working anymore? Many of us do want to get married, a sentiment echoed by SeriouslySpeaking below but what’s in it for us men? Not only is the law against us but the modern woman no longer acts and behave in a way that makes the gender that must be made to want to take responsibility to want to take responsibility!

                • Jessica W

                  I’m not surprised that marriage isn’t working. All I’m saying is just because others are having trouble in their marriages and refuse to work them out doesn’t mean that yours will fail too. When you make that commitment to God and to your wife/husband, it’s up to both of you to fulfill your duties. I really feel sorry for those who blame the opposite sex when both sexes need to take responsibility. It takes to make a marriage sweet and two to make it go bad.

                • Luke

                  Well said. I wish this kind of logic didn’t go in one ear and out the other with feminists but it does. They see that everything is different now. We’ve “progressed” past our natural impulses. But they don’t understand that that’s only an illusion held aloft by technology and convenience. If you take those things away, throw these people back into the jungle… when they barely know to navigate without GPS, all I can say is… god help them.

                • Marc Brown

                  Jessica, you seem very level headed and logical. I appreciate what you are doing by trying to represent a fair and balanced argument. However, I would like to point out that I’ve know many women who start out like you, but turn to the devises allowed them overnight (if not sooner).

                  They use the unbalanced laws to “turn into” the type of woman many men are describing here because they can / they have that as an option.

                  I’ve seen it many times. Kind, considerate, understanding, fair…. but, when it comes to a fight (of one sort or another) women ‘turn’ to those laws and social stigmas to gain the upper hand. Men don’t have that option, so they lose.

                  What I’m saying is, women start out like you, but can and often do turn. Many men have decided that risk isn’t worth it. It’s too much of a gamble. Risk vs reward is something like love, happiness, friendship = a very low percentage while heart break, lose of children, finances = a very high percentage.

                  EVEN IF the woman truly and honestly starts out with a fairness, love, understanding.

                  In other words, men can only bring a knife to a fight…. why wouldn’t a woman, even a good one, not bring a bazooka when the courts, all of her friends, and social media are SCREAMING at her to do so??????????

                • Jessica W

                  If these women choose to follow the social stigmas and man-made laws, that’s on them. I’m me and can only speak for me. I truly feel sorry for those who let the negatives keep them from moving forward. Thank you for the compliment Marc.

                • zona “U-Get” smith

                  MASTER…….

              • AbsolutelyTrue

                Well most women Can’t be trusted today at all since they like to Cheat so much these days.

                • Jessica W

                  Men cheat too. Basically, both sexes cheat. I think it’s because men have done it for so long, women want men to see how it feels to be cheated on. I found that men take it a lot harder than women. Most men can’t be trusted either. You reap what you sow.

                • Mark Muffs

                  Covering this subject is beyond the scope of a comment or message board but it’s well known that if a man or woman isn’t going to give the other what they need at home, then he or she may go and try and find it someplace else. After all, who wants to be in a loveless/sexless relationship or marriage???

                • Jessica W

                  I don’t agree with affairs. However, sometimes it takes that to wake someone up. A man/woman is gonna take no from his/her wife/husband only so many times until he/she goes out and finds another woman/man that will tell him/her yes.

                • Take The Red Pill

                  Women cheat — men are blamed (“he must have done something to drive her to it”, etc.).
                  Men cheat — men are blamed (it’s NEVER “she must have done something to drive him to it”) .

                  Men now are not trusting women for their lying (e.g., false accusations), their arrogance, their hubris, and their abuse of their power.
                  You reap what you have sown.

                  MGTOW — because the bicycles have found that they don’t need fish, either.

                • Jessica W

                  I didn’t cause this. No need to be bitter and take your frustration out on me because you choose to live in bitterness. And yes, both sexes cheat because either something isn’t gettting done at home or a lack in ones self. Women and men don’t like bitter people. By the way, I’m married to a wonderful man. Too bad you let your bad experiences keep you from ever knowing what real love is. Until you forgive the women who have hurt you, you can never fully move on and they will still have power over you. Men lie too, are arrogant, and abuse their power too. Try looking at life from both sides of the coin instead of one.

                • John Raducci

                  Seeing the truth for what it is is not being bitter. It’s being realistic to the situation. If women really want to see their prospects for marriage increase ( as the marriage rate is still in massive decline with no reason to believe it won’t stop….) then they have to fix it on the individual of someone worthy of marriage. Proverbs 31 as far as character goes. If the society was filled was filled with women like that then it might be another story but alas it’s not. I’ll take the love of God and his mercies anyday over the love of a woman. THe promises of God will never be broken whereas with women they can lie as easy as they breathe.

                • Jessica W

                  It is bitterness when a person allows one bad apple to ruin it for everyone else. Until people realize that both men and women have destroyed marriage, the blame game will continue. I look at Proverbs 31 and live by it. Not everyone can say that.

                • VetteMan

                  I have noticed that anything a man says, doesn’t say, think, doesn’t think, do, and doesn’t do can and will be held against him.

                • John Raducci

                  Only that women in the vast majority get legally rewarded for doing so… men not so much.

                • Tyler Doe

                  men will definitely cheat if they aren’t in loving relationships and their sexual needs aren’t met. That’s like blaming a woman, historically, for leaving if the man doesn’t pay the bills. Of course she would leave. Men have needs too.

                • Jessica W

                  Yes. Men and women both have needs. A man/woman will take no from his/her wife/husband only so many times until he/she goes out and finds another woman/man that will tell him/her yes.

              • Mark Muffs

                You’re a person of good character, Jessica. Freedom issues were one reason why I never married and also parted with most girlfriends in the past. And screaming kids totally annoy me and so I never date anyone with kids or grandkids.

                • Jessica W

                  Nothing wrong with that. Just keep doing well and one day your wife will come. Unfortunately, finding a woman with no kids are virtually becoming nonexistent and the same with men.

                • Mark Muffs

                  Not necessarily, Jessica. The childfree segment of our population is now one of the fastest growing. It does still hold true in the south & southeast (aka the Bible belt and for now I’m still in Arkansas) but in other areas such as out west (originally from Arizona) people have put it off for years, if not indefinitely. Child rearing is not for everybody. When I became of age in the mid 1970s, the last thing on our minds was marriage and kids. for at least 5 years, if not more after high school. We 70’s era young folks started bucking traditions from our older predecessors. I know I’ve posted a few comments on here that seem anti-woman but I’m really not, I love ’em. I was told long ago not to look for her but to let her find me and I tend to believe that. I also will not deviate from my criteria as that can open the door to disaster. Thank you, hugsssssssss.

                • Mark Muffs

                  I might also add a statistic. I went to a small parochial high school and our graduating class was 132. As of last year, an astounding 49 of us never married. The old song about wedding bells are breaking up that old gang of mine didn’t hold true. Most of those guys I hear are still hanging close together and a few of them as well as one of our former teachers now run an auto restoration shop out there. I like the idea of being friends for life like that.

                • Jessica W

                  You’re welcome Mark. Hugsssssss back at you.

              • Justin Rule

                NAWALT

                • Jessica W

                  I know. I’m the last of a dying breed of good women.

          • Mark Muffs

            I’ve been saying since I was in my 20s that the legal system needs to stay out of it. Now they have also gotten so deep into child rearing as well. Now one can’t even let their kid walk 2 blocks away from their house to their friends house or the local convenience store without risking having a visit from the police or the child protective services. Sheer insanity.

            • Jessica W

              It is a mess. Parents can’t even discipline their children because of it as well.

              • Mark Muffs

                Yes and with kids getting street smart at an early age, they know that too. One now better hope and pray their kid will turn out ok or they may be facing a long nightmare. Another reason why I’m glad I never had kids. Some might call that overly protective but hey, I’ve been mostly issue and drama free much of my life and I attribute that to generally being a loner and not knowing too many people. I’ve been that way most of my life, even as a kid. Any issues my way were self inflicted such as debts, trying to get with the wrong girl, poor job choices,etc and worse of all not continuing my education. Now being semi-retired I can delve into that. 34 years of truck driving paid well and was for the most part recession proof but I was never satisfied with it. Your husband is a lucky man indeed, Jessica.

                • Jessica W

                  My husband has children from previous relationships. I’m the one who has no children. I’ve had somone call me selfish because I didn’t want children at one time. I’m 35 and figure if I haven’t had them by now, there’s no sense in me having them. I’ve been blessed to have a wonderful husband. My husband would say he is blessed to have me. Thank you for the compliment again.

                • Mark Muffs

                  Those that call others selfish aren’t the ones that are raising the prospective child. Some such as grandparents, sisters, nieces, etc are so anxious to hold a baby but of course give it back later. That burns the heck out of me, people implying selfishness. Fortunately my parents never pressured me (it wouldn’t have done any good) Jessica, I feel that in the last 24 hours I made a new friend in you. Thanks and God bless. Hugsssss.

                • Jessica W

                  My parents didn’t pressure me for children either. To be honest, I wouldn’t bring a child into this jacked-up world. Not only that, children are expensive. I’m glad you consider me a friend Mark. God bless and hugsssss to you too.

                • Pablo Escobar

                  He probably lied to save your feelings. Men marry young, fertile women to carry forth their bloodline. Aging career women are for beta losers.

                • Jessica W

                  My husband is not like the rest of these lame-ass men. I met him when I was 26. We got married four years later. He was in long-term relationships when he had those children before he met me. This is both of our first marriages. I can still have children. I was pregnant by my husband before we got married, but I miscarried. After that, we didn’t try again. Besides, he doesn’t need any more children. Five is enough. Don’t jump to conclusions because it will get you in trouble homie.

              • Mark Muffs

                I might also add that on the other side of the coin, its not all uncommon to see teens (girls as well as boys) strolling around at 4:00 in the morning. As a truck driver working those crazy hours (both local and out of state) we see all the things out there, long before the police do. I had a lot more freedom than most 1960s & 70s kids did but not to be out at that hour.

          • MEME

            Yes, it takes two

          • John Raducci

            When the law massively favors one at the expense of the other for BAD behavior (specificaly no fault divorce where MANY MANY times the husbands who were faithful as could come are being f–ked by the system by their adulterous whores for wives). Man up and marry to subjugate to have your entire’s life work and $$$ go up in smoke because some other guy made his wife pussy get all wet??? Freedom all day every day. Freedom from the female imperative, freedom from the imposed slavery that marriage as it stands today is now. Bring back fault divorce and the vast majority of men still won’t marry seeing how women’s true nature has been exposed.

            • Jessica W

              Not all women do this. Men and women both have made marriage a bad deal. Until people realize that both sexes play a part in this, people will continue to play the blame game.

            • Jessica W

              Those material possession will be lost anyway because someday a person will die. No point in whining about it because you can’t take them with you.

      • Take The Red Pill

        Women aren’t interested in “good, decent men” at all — until they start hitting thirty and they finish playing with the players, dirt bags, and bad boys (or the afore-mentioned don’t want to play with them anymore).
        Then it’s time to look for the “good, decent” sucker that they friend-zoned ten years earlier and try to get him to pay (i.e., marry) for what they gave away for free to every thug, gangster, and dirtbag that crossed their path and gave them the “tingles d’jour” the previous decade.

        MGTOW — because its better to be single than to wish that you were.

        • Jessica W

          Not all women. Stop putting all women in the same category. You can continue to be single and unhappy because no one wants to deal with women-bashers and men-bashers. Until you realize that both sexes caused these problems, you will always be bitter and lonely.

      • Tyler Doe

        Yep, feminism. Unintended consequences…. Now masculism is taking over. Bang broads and hang out with the bros.

        • Jessica W

          Yeah. After you’re done banging broads, you’ll wake up with a disease that you hope a shot can take care of. Nine times out of ten, you’ll still feel empty.

          • Tyler Doe

            Your comment is irrational. You can catch a disease no matter your motivation. So can women. And as for feeling “empty”, I will feel more fulfilled in a bad marriage with a bunch of rugrats crawling around? LOL. Ok I’m going to get right on that. Sounds amazing! I thought I had to spend all my time on my career, making more money, and having more fun. I wish somebody would have told me this sooner…

            And by the way, my comment wasn’t necessarily about me, but about guys in general. Guys don’t want to commit to that marriage scam. Can you blame them?

            • Jessica W

              That’s on them. If they want to continue to run with the trash, they can stay out with the trash. Just don’t ask for a good woman in the process. Just keeping it 100.

              • Tyler Doe

                Hahaha, a good woman. Like who, you? You are exactly the type nobody wants to marry. Obviously angry things didn’t work out. It is OBVIOUS. You know that, right? You are angry that more and more guys are doing what THEY want and it doesn’t fit your agenda.

                • Jessica W

                  Nice try. I’m already married to a wonderful man. LMAO. Obviously, I AM a good woman otherwise I wouldn’t be married. You’re the type no one wants to deal with. I hope you know that. When you fall, who’s going to be there to help you get back up? It’s men like you that make it hard for men who really want true love.

                • Tyler Doe

                  Don’t worry, I believe you 🙂

                • Jessica W

                  Yeah, I’m sure do. 🙂

          • BlueLanternMonk

            10 panel STI testing: $50-$200. 30 year old virgin: Priceless.

            • Jessica W

              I know that’s right!!

              • BlueLanternMonk

                Seriously,I’ve been offered money…..
                Doing the right thing is sometimes,no fun! (If only God didn’t mind a little bang and slang) Were enough women to care about men,half as much as you do,I’d be on the market,due to sudden Equality Before the Law,in a matter of days! Sadly the equality I mentioned,is no longer the definition,of the word. I.e. “Regarding Equality” (by TFM on YouTube) I wish women would riot in the streets and destroy properties,like the Suffragettes did,but the privilege to Vote without being drafted is far more important than Men’s “rights”. Women could change it by tomorrow night,with the same underhanded tactics their foremothers used,if they were willing to leave their Female In Group Bias (“Women are Wonderful Effect”-Wikipedia) at home. When I hear ladies like yourself (rarely) it always rings hollow……
                “Choose my instruction instead of silver,knowledge rather than choice gold,for wisdom is more precious than rubies,and nothing you desire can compare with her.”
                -Proverbs 8:10-11

                • Jessica W

                  Charm is deceptive and beauty is fleeting, but a woman who fears the Lord she shall be praised. Proverbs is one of my favorite books in the bible. It takes strong men and women to stand up and do what is right, even if it means ridicule.

                • BlueLanternMonk

                  Yeah,I’ve heard of ladies being called prude,for doing what I am. I don’t get teased about it,unless it’s by my family. Is there a (single) man shortage,in the last church you went to? I haven’t been in 15+ years,as I got fed up with being asked where I went to school,where I work,why I’m not stable etc. While also hearing how a “proverbs 31 woman would never marry a loser”. I.e.:
                  “The poor are shunned even by their neighbors,
                  but the rich have many friends.”
                  -Proverbs 14:20
                  …..I’ve been doing the best I can to increase my financial prospects,in spite of everything working against me,since childhood. By the time I get there I won’t have anything for a woman,who wouldn’t look at me until then.
                  The only ones interested are young and naive or old and divorced or just plain “fast”. No quality,without cash,it seems. I understand I’m on my own,but I’m not going to work extra hard,when I’m unworthy,until then.
                  I appreciate your insight! Although I’m stuck your words have uplifted me,as all skillfully placed sayings do.
                  “Light in a messenger’s eyes brings joy to the heart,and good news gives health to the bones” -Proverbs 15:30

                • Jessica W

                  I haven’t been to church in years. I have no idea if there is a man shortage. If no one will accept you for you, they’re not worth your time. A virtuous woman is a crown to her husband; but she that makes him ashamed is like decay in his bones. A true Proverbs 31 woman doesn’t care that her man makes less money than she does. The rich are more miserable than you are and are bored. My hubby didn’t have a job when I met and married him. I still loved him through those dark times. He works now and we still live and work together. The reason your family is teasing you is probably because they’re more miserable than you are and want you to be miserable with them. Tell those demons to get away from you.

                • BlueLanternMonk

                  I suspect those members of my family is unhappy,also. While I was at the store,just now,a woman and her husband stopped me to ask about my unusual eye color. Another woman who was nearby walked over to join in. Side note: I happen to be sick and breaking a fever,right now. She (& they) ran me through the ringer,asking about my economic prospects,education etc. The lady (very good looking) invited me to visit her at her home and gave me her phone number. It’s already in the waste basket…..
                  P.S. why did you stop going to church? Were the shaming a little more bearable,I’d go back.

                • Jessica W

                  I stopped going because there were more hypocrites in the church than on the street. I felt that I could continue my relationship with God without feeling spiritually uncomfortable and irritatable. Diligent hands bring wealth, lazy hands bring poverty. Keep striving and working for what you want because it will all pay off.

                • BlueLanternMonk

                  I will! To strive is to be alive! It’s refreshing to have met you. It’s starting to seem like the Christians outside the church,are more biblically oriented,than the one’s inside it. An issue I’ve had online,is that most Christian forums are overrun with “you’re all going to hell” types and lots of atheists. The whole thing gets tedious,after a while,but the Holy spirit moves through all God’s children!
                  For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”
                  -Matthew 18:20
                  I think I may have (nearly) run out of things,to say about male and female relationships. I’ve successfully hunted down an example of a woman who would “date and marry a man,without a job”…….it’s not a “sugar
                  mama”,which I suspect don’t exist,but you’ll work as an example of “Not all women are like that”. The laws won’t change for decades,so even without the economics of Hypergamy to offset,I’d still be in legal hot water,if I dare to commit. Out of 1000+ ladies,only one has shown herself to be of noble character,in her dating and marriage prospective,about her mate’s utility or earning potential. It has been a pleasure trading with you!
                  “I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.” -John 16:33

                • Jessica W

                  And people don’t realize that they have to prove all things to each other. I don’t go on Christian forums. There is nothing godly about them. Change will come, but everyone has to come together instead of being against each other to make it happen. I’m glad to have met you too BLM. Keep doing God’s work and be successful.

                • BlueLanternMonk

                  Deal! I’m glad an example of a Christian woman,who is willing to invest in the welfare of strange men,can be found here. I know it takes a lot of work,on your part. There are Souls at stake and we have only one way to influence eachother,on the internet. Talking about these things in person,is obscenely difficult. Thus we (men) gather online,as male vulnerability is reviled by women and subsequently shunned by men. It’s either “trusted Bro’s” or nothing,present company being an exception. If my assumptions are correct,you’ll be doing this,long after I’ve disappeared. Your willingness to suspend the natural “In Group Bias”,of your gender is more potent and rare,then you may know. Men need more of that!
                  “Better a patient person than a warrior,one with self-control than one who takes a city.”
                  -Proverbs 16.32

                • Jessica W

                  When you speak the truth, no one wants to hear it. I’m at a point in my life where I’m going to speak the truth and don’t care whose feelings get hurt. If people are offended by the truth being told, then the subject applies to them. Men and women need each other more than they want to admit. They also want meaningful, healthy, and strong relationships but aren’t willing to give up the I’s and Me’s for Us and We. Husbands love your wives as Christ loves the church and do not be bitter or harsh towards them. It’s refreshing when a man can bare his soul and not care if he is ridiculed. Most guys wouldn’t know how to handle a woman like me because they’ve been scorned to the point to where they want nothing to do with women or end up gay.

                • BlueLanternMonk

                  Hard hitting! My dad has asked me why I won’t try,to establish a relationship. I answer with “dem laws,dat lack of money,Da divorce rates” etc. and he has,at times,replied: “are you gay or not?!”
                  I was the substitute for a “nurturing parent”,on account of having three brothers and an angry dad,with my mother not being present,so I learned to harness my sappy side,as a defense and coping mechanism. I’d like to give up my “I” in exchange for “we”,but the aforementioned reasons,prevent this being done with any measure of safety. The most bitter part of me,says upright women don’t exist. The loving part says they just have to! I.e.:
                  “A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.”
                  -James 1.8
                  I like how you toss risk aversion (a female staple),to the wind,in favor of kindness. This is an excellent fusion of “Caring based Morality” (ladies) and “Justice based Morality” (gentleman),that everyone is in sore need of.
                  Should you have girls under your guardianship,they’ll be seen as heroines by guys,if they take up your prospective and methods!

                • Jessica W

                  Not taking a risk in anything concerning a relationship is what keeps people from ever experiencing true love. In life, we get hurt from our experiences. How you handle these experiences and learning to forgive those who have hurt you determine if you will find true love or be bitter, hateful, and lonely. Children don’t listen no matter how much you instill values and knowledge to navigate in this game called life. When they get hurt, the first thing they do is cry to the parents. I do everything I can to spare my stepdaughter from heartache. Some things she may have to learn on her own as she grows.

                • BlueLanternMonk

                  I knew about women’s In Group Bias and men’s favoritism toward them,relative to sexual gratification,for most of my life,but I didn’t have a name for the dynamics. I.e.: (“women are wonderful effect”-Wikipedia) …..it doesn’t take a woman’s superior olfactory gland,to smell my fear! Am I to set aside the knowledge that a lady can cry rape or domestic violence and the state will put their full weight behind it,even if she openly admitted to lying? Or that 50+% of marriages end in divorce and 80% are initiated by the wife,the most common reason given for filing being”dissatisfaction or a state of unhappiness”? Even if a woman looked past my many flaws and was will to provide for me (“House Husbands Just Ain’t Sexy” on YouTube),I’d still be totally defenseless,in virtually every way. 80% (ish) of all men in jail,are there because of being “in arrears with child support”. I don’t want to be accused of something horrible or jailed,for being broke,just because I “picked wrong”. My feelings are the last of my concerns. Just speaking to women can get me a harassment charge,although my record is flawless. How can I reconcile these things?

                • Jessica W

                  My husband calls child support “The Broke Ho’s Hustle.” He owes back child support and won’t let that stop him from achieving his goals. He was accused of rape even though evidence clearly showed she wasn’t. Don’t fear what man-made laws can do to you. Fear what God can do because his judgment is eternal. You don’t wake up between the sheets (layers of spiritual bondage). There’s a process in and a process out. If people are in bondage, it’s because they want to be, not because they have to be. Just keep following God’s path and leave all your fears and concerns at His feet. He already has it worked out in your favor.

                • BlueLanternMonk

                  “He was accused of rape even though evidence clearly showed she wasn’t. Don’t fear what man-made laws can do to you. ” ……What?! Would marry or date a “supposedly innocent” sex offender? Were he to be found guilty,being innocent,the gavel would’ve landed the same. How long would he have been in jail,If “proven” guilty? Years…..decades? An ex-con has an easier time,than an offender. Women are lying in court and not being punished,because “it would scare away real DV or sexual crime victims,from coming forward” i.e.:
                  [MensRights – Reddit
                  Reddit] Excerpts: “Nothing will happen because then it would discourage other victims from coming forward……. claim that punishing false accusers deters real victims from coming forward.” (I know reddit isn’t empirical evidence,but the legal precedents abound,to an alarming degree……the aforementioned excerpts would also apply to cases of D.V.)
                  The danger of sharing a room with a lady,for a man (as in your husband) is so great,that it’s unreal.
                  I want to,especially when I’m in the mood,but this is too much for even me,to ignore. P.S. “Broke Ho’s Hustle”,made me laugh! Your guy’s got jokes!

                • Jessica W

                  One of the reasons I married him. He has a sense of humor while telling the truth. Eventually, the women who have lied in court will be dealt with accordingly. It’s up to them to be woman enough to admit their mistakes. It’s sad that there is no justice. My husband is not an offender. That’s just a man-made label put on him because he was tired of the long-and-drawn proceedings. Basically, they made him take the charge that he did not commit. I was angry at the woman who ruined his life like that. Needless to say, she’s still going through hell because of her lies. It just goes to show that when a person does someone wrong, wrong will come to them ten-fold.

                • BlueLanternMonk

                  “Basically, they made him take the charge that he did not commit. I was angry at the woman who ruined his life like that. Needless to say, she’s still going through hell because of her lies.” …….so she’s rotting in jail,as we speak? Right?! No. She’s free. He’s semi or entirely unemployable and marked for life. Your guy got off Easy and he still almost went down with the ship. Thank you for going on this journey with me,it’s been fun(ish)! I’d laterally have to be a masochist to get with a woman,knowing what power they have over men. Your guy got lucky,nothing more,innocent or not. I already ignore all females,who attempt to communicate with me. (Internet exceptions,aside) Women love being sexist (In Group Bias),then they project it onto us. I’m not going to give them a target. Maybe big daddy government will wife them up and give them their pick at the sperm bank. I refuse to donate,as my genetics are to good,for them.
                  Even a woman My own age,who’s “not like that”,as you are,isn’t worth the risk. I already knew this stuff,I just wanted to see what a virtuous woman would say about it. This is game over.
                  Have a good one.:-)

                • Jessica W

                  She’s not locked up but will be if she ever decides to come clean. She lost her kids to the state. I feel that is her punishment for ruining someone else’s life. My husband does have a job. His label is a man-made one not a spiritual one. His attorney was friends with the prosecutor and made him take the charge. That’s why he is falsely labeled as such. Everyone who has done wrong to God’s angels will get their eternal punishments. I’m glad to share this journey. You have a blessed one! 🙂

                • BlueLanternMonk

                  You got it! I know/knew what’s up,although I was unaware of the exact details. I need more than eventual circumstances,as my legal protection,so it’s a no go. A lady was lookingme all iup and down today and checked to see if I was looking at her. I didn’t make eye contact,but my peripheral vision caught it. She was obviously not used to being intentionally ignored. It felt super unnatural,but so do the stories my male acquaintances have shared. The legal system is unreal,in its anti male policies and judgments. I suppose one person who doesn’t reproduce,won’t make an impact,so perhaps I’ll just focus on ignoring the whole thing. Should any guys ask,I’ll still tell them what I know,for their own safety.
                  Stay cool like that! Maybe a few ladies will see your comments and hopefully adopt your well balanced prospective. Laterz!
                  “Life is beautiful
                  Glass half-empty; glass half-full
                  Death is imminent”
                  -Dustin Craig

                • BlueLanternMonk

                  *Double reply it’s like you predicted my future! That woman was beautiful and trying to charm me. A certain someone called it. You’re smart like that! (I’m going proverbs heavy today.)
                  “Keep my commands and you will live; guard my teachings as the apple of your eye. Bind them on your fingers; write them on the tablet of your heart.”
                  -Proverbs 7 2-3

      • Take The Red Pill

        First World women aren’t interested in “a good decent man” until they’re in their their thirties and have burned through the majority of their fertility, lost their looks, and mainly because the Bad Boys don’t want them anymore.

    • Mark Muffs

      I’m not a woman hater, in fact I’ve loved a few in my life but get married? Have kids? No way, never had those headaches. Aside from that, I’m incompatible with about 97% of women ‘cuz the only ones I’d be compatible with are old car (particularly truck) nuts and those type are extremely rare.

  • Go Your Own Way, guys and enjoy your vacations. Here’s wishing you all a Happy MGTOW Day on 14th Feb.

    • DarthW

      You are exactly right. I make it a point to remind all my friends and relatives during this time of year how lucky those of us who are single really are reminded of that fact on February 14th….especially we single guys!

      • Mark Muffs

        Still single at 60 and loving it, like it was still the 1970s. I have 6 “kids” which consist of two 4 legged ones and four four-wheeled ones. My family. No fussing, no crying, no doctor bills (except a couple times to the vet to get shots for the 4 legged ones)

    • Mark

      Amen to that. glad I was never dumb enough to marry. Remember guys when you marry a woman you’re also marrying your wife’s real husband: the government.

  • MR. Crystal Chaos

    MGTOW – That’s where you find all the whys?!

  • Jessica Wade

    Damn, you men really are bitter. I don’t blame you though. Believe it or not, there are women who don’t want to get married because they feel like they have more to focus on instead of looking after some man and a bunch of screaming kids. Not only that, most women feel like they’re losing their freedom and identity. So yes, both and women don’t want to marry for the same and different reasons.

    • GH

      Women are wronged? Those evil oppressive men, all of them just by their nature. Men wronged? Easy now, both men and women can be bad sometimes, no reason to pin it on all women; in fact, both men and women are victims when men are wronged.

      I wish you could hear yourselves as we hear you.

    • Luke

      Yes, and those women will be selected out of the gene pool, so there will be fewer like them with each successive generation. Win-win.

    • Fraga123

      Ye$, of cour$e.

    • Pmzizi

      Yawn, typical shaming language of men being bitter. More like men are realistic and logical.They adjust their actions based on assessed risk. No one cares if you end up alone not married and no kids. Good for you.

      • Jessica W

        I’m the one who posted that comment. Sorry to burst your bubble, I am married but my husband has kids from his previous relationships. Life is about taking risks. Basically, I’m not alone. Try looking at life from both sides of the coin instead one.

        • outrightfield

          Jessica, You are awesome.

          • Jessica W

            Thanks outrightfield. Obviously these so-called men are scared to take a risk on marriage because they’re afraid to lose material things that can be replaced. A husband or wife cannot be replaced. They can go ahead and remain bitter and alone. Yet, they have the nerve to ask for a good woman but don’t want to change themselves.

            • outrightfield

              These guys give the rest of us men a bad rap. As you said, they want a good woman that puts out but they do not change at all.

              • Jessica W

                Then when the woman stops putting out because he’s not doing for her, he wants to get mad and do stupid stuff. When she leaves, then he wants to say I should’ve, would’ve, could’ve. By then, it’s too late. He lost her by his foolishness. This scenario can also go for women too. They too ask for a good man but don’t want to change themselves.

                • outrightfield

                  There are a few of us good people left in this world including you. Some people should not bother having a relationship.

                • Jessica W

                  Absolutely. Let them continue to be bitter and lonely.

                • outrightfield

                  While people like us are happy and in love.

                • Jessica W

                  Damn straight!!!

        • Wrinklyyyyyy

          You didn’t take any risks actually. Your husband met you, your husband drove conversations, your husband took you out, your husband asked you out on several dates, thought of the ideas and activities for nearly all of these dates, drove the conversation on nearly all of these dates, your husband asked you to marry him, your husband agreed to marry you. The only risk you chose is to agree to be with this person after he’d proven a whole bunch of things to you and you felt no need to prove anything, or approach him, or start a conversation.Stuff normal people feel they’re capable of, and by normal people I mean just men towards women. This is what men hate about women and women actually pat themselves on the back for it like it’s a gender war or contest. If men can’t do these things aren’t worth any woman’s time and deserve to be denigrated by both genders.

          • Jessica W

            I had to prove to him that I was worth marrying. I stayed faithful while he was in prison and took care of his children. I took a risk because my husband is a convicted felon. I was worried that he wouldn’t be able to get a job because of that. I still stuck by him no matter what. In fact, I asked him out. He asked me to marry him twice. Most women won’t take the risks I took because they’re too worried about material things instead of looking at a lifetime with someone who loves and respects them. I’m glad I did.

            • FuqTheNorm

              Women now a days are just as promiscuous as men.

              • Jessica W

                You lead by example. Men were promiscuous first. Women followed. Everyone has a choice to do right or do wrong. Men and women have a lot of work to do on themselves if they wish to have a long, strong and happy marriage.

                • FuqTheNorm

                  Lead by example? Men aren’t always the first to be unfaithful. I’ve been married since 09 as happy now as I was while datingm2yrs before marraige. And never have either of us strayed.

                • Jessica W

                  I was referring to men that were promiscuous back in the day. Women are doing this because they figure if a man can do it, so can she. Men are supposed to be leaders. This is what I mean by leading by example. I’ve been married since 2010, still in love and happy. We haven’t strayed from each other either.

                • FuqTheNorm

                  Still don’t agree with that, but good for yall. ☺we just had a daughter in September.

                • Jessica W

                  We agree to disagree. Congratulations on your daughter. 😀

                • FuqTheNorm

                  Thanks

                • Jessica W

                  You’re welcome.

  • P H

    I appreciate your efforts to give constructive advice Renee, and yet acknowledge the reality that there are low-value men – and low-value women. Mature people recognize there are low- and high-value members of the opposite sex. I would rather learn to become as high-value as a mate as I possibly can, and learn to recognize high-value men, than complain about all the low-value ones and write off marriage entirely because there are low-value men out there. Attitude is everything. Thanks for your advice!

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  • really Renee?

    Being a young couple today is difficult – different from a couple of decades ago due to reduced buying power, work/life balance issues and entitlement.
    Both of you twenty-somethings – have a hard look at the bank balance and the prospects before you hook up and make a baby.
    If you do, person-up and make it work.

    • Insidious Sid

      “PERSON UP”. Love it. Tired of all this “MAN UP” nonsense when the internet clearly doesn’t tolerate the term “WOMAN UP”!

      • Jessica

        I don’t mind hearing the term “WOMAN UP!” This motivates me more to keep myself up and be the woman my husband loves, respects, and wants to hold on to for life.

        • Brit Byerly

          So a man needs to man up and marry a woman? Women bash men all the time and everyone is always sympathetic to the women. But a man needs to stop complaining and just marry a woman? Wow… I see no logic in that. Men don’t have to marry to be a man or they’re some little boy who’s not ready for a “big step” like marriage. I made my best attempt to remain calm in this reply. Men don’t have to and shouldn’t marry a woman if they don’t want to and they’re definitely just as masculine.

          • Jessica W

            Never said that men need to man up and get married. Men can marry if they wish to do so. The comments I’m seeing show that they care more about material possessions than the person they want to have a relationship with. Men bash women too. Yet, they have the nerve to ask for a good woman. They still haven’t forgiven the women that did them wrong to move forward. Let go of the bitterness to move forward. Life is about taking risks.

            • Brit Byerly

              Women do the exact same to men. There’s a difference between taking risks and being stupid. I didn’t say men don’t bash women but no one gets mad at women bashing men like they do the other way around. You said, “I think they’re scared and can’t handle a big step like marriage”. What exactly does that mean if it doesn’t mean that men should marry or they are scared and can’t handle marriage. I don’t want to be mean and I’m very glad that your marriage is a good one but it seems to me that your point on this comment thread is that men should still marry regardless of past experiences. I know women get abused too and they shouldn’t marry either if they don’t want to. Western society does not support heterosexual marriage. Very few marriages are like yours and it seems to me that men and women, at least in America, are almost incompatible. It is shown quite often to be the case. Men and women hate each other almost in America except for a few couples.

              • Jessica W

                No one should let their bad experiences hinder them from wanting to get married if they wish to do so. I’m referring to those who are letting their bad experiences hinder them and those who won’t bother to even take a chance. This is something people need to work out within themselves. Men and women are constantly battling each other instead of coming together to work things out. In the end, everyone has to answer to God for their actions.

                • Brit Byerly

                  What does God have to do with this? What action are men doing that is a sin by not marrying a woman? There are a great deal of things that should be happening but they aren’t. You claim men care more about their possessions than their spouse. It’s a important matter though. Men work hard for their house and other belongings and they should keep it. Anyway, I have other things to say, but this conversation is going nowhere and I’m tired. I hope your marriage continues to be a happy one.

                • Jessica W

                  I wasn’t referring to a man not marrying a woman a sin. Putting material possessions over your spouse is a sin. A spouse is worth way more than material things that can be replaced. Like I said, most of the posts I see show that they care more about their material possessions than their spouse. You may think it’s pointless but the truth is stranger than a lie. I just don’t see how material things can make a person happy. God said that husbands should love their wives as they do themselves and not be bitter or harsh towards them. Unfortunately, these men would fail miserably. Yes, you should also enjoy the fruit of your labor. All I’m saying is if they want to be bitter and lonely, that’s on them and the same goes for women.

        • Mark Muffs

          You’re a rare one indeed. All too often these days, others take the “whats in it for me” attitude.

          • Jessica W

            Thank you for the compliment Mark. It’s sad that people have the attitude of “what’s in it for me.” It’s also dangerous and a recipe for disaster.

    • LAC

      I like this idea. My grandparents were poor immigrants who loved and respected one another. They worked together to create a solid family and build a beautiful life together. They were spiritual, connected, fun, tough and loving people. Marriage is an institution for personal growth, love and companionship. Both the man and the woman “person up” and become their best selves for themselves, one another and the family unit. This concept seems to be lost on most of the people commenting on this blog. Personally, I believe this is what marriage is all about.
      Most of them commentators sound as if they have not fully explored the marital vows or the suitability of the partners before walking down the aisle.
      Sounds like they’d put more thought into what kind of car they would buy.

      • Jessica W

        They really haven’t, otherwise they wouldn’t be making negative comments. I think they’re scared and probably couldn’t handle a big step like marriage.

  • DarthW

    Gotta agree with PJay, and any other men on here that say marriage is a pile of crap. Women are parasites in most cases….I suppose there are a few exceptions, but they are like unicorns: Read a lot about the exceptions, but don’t see them much, so they appear to be a fantasy.

    I know a couple seemingly happily married men, but I know a TON more very unhappily married men. I remember being in a group of friends and acquaintances a few years ago when a married older gentleman was talking to a buddy of his about maybe hanging out for a couple hours that weekend. The married older gentleman turns to his wife and says, “Troy and I were thinking about doing so and so tomorrow. Just wanted to make sure that’s good.” His wife of 10+ years suddenly got very stern and condescending with him and stated firmly, “No you’re not. I have a list of things for you to do tomorrow.” My reaction to that was “Thank the stars I’ve never married.” Women today get married thinking they run the show at home, and the guy is just there to hand over a paycheck and do her “honey-do list”. EFF THAT.

    Add to this the pile of divorced mothers in the dating pool. I tried that route for years, finally waking up and giving up. Divorced mothers are the worst. Statistically they likely initiated the divorce from the man who gave them children, and the moms think they have the same market value in the dating pool – or ever more value – because they have kids from another man with whom they couldn’t make a marriage work. The moms enter the dating world again making demands, acting entitled, and expecting to be treated like a queen by some other guy. So the moms bring a pile of crap in their attitude AND now have kids, an ex, debt, and all the other crap that comes from a divorce. HELL NO!

    Marriage is a bad deal for men, and all men should stay away. My nephews are reaching adulthood, and I am encouraging them heavily to focus on their careers, date women only for fun and sex, and to NEVER commit or marry them.

    • Mark Muffs

      NEVER even date a woman with kids. Most of them (not all) are looking for an ATM machine to help support their offspring. I’ve never been a kid person anyways and even when I was a kid I never ran around with them. I was more interested in what adults did.

    • Mr.CommonSense

      I would have to agree with everything you said…

  • PJay

    This is a country where having a “traditional marriage” is listed in the VAWA website as a potential indicator for domestic violence.

    Where a woman recently appealed her $995,000,000 divorce settlement – because SHE WANTS MORE.

    It’s WhoreTown – the women, the Family Courts, the lawyers….take your pick, as it’s hard to tell which is the biggest parasite preying on men.

    Marriage is over.

    • Mark Muffs

      Yeah, the flea bag that was married to the oil baron in Oklahoma. When I read about that, I gasped. How can someone say that almost 1 BILLION is not enough???? Where does that mentality come from??

  • Delmonico

    How hard is it to just f*** your husband?
    My parents were married 56 years and my mother told me the secret. (You guessed it!)
    Men will be loyal as dogs in even the shittiest of relationships. Add a little sex and you’ve got him for life.

    • mack

      dude it is hard, when they spend all their daily free time fucking the neighbour or their husbands best friends , when the night comes the last thing they need is fucking their husband . Unless they need something from him and has to be convinced… cunts…

  • Seriously

    How can we get married when many women do Stink nowadays.

  • Patrick

    First Of all , the quotes given from the anti marriage website ….are not representative of normal educated professional men …I hate to break it to you but I don’t know anyone that talks like this about women…..do I know plenty of men who are utterly put off marriage or have been devastated by it? …unfortunately yes.

    Why ? No doubt many women want to dismiss this non marrying as a lack of manliness, unwillingness to commit, selfishness , immaturity etc etc etc …but again I hate to break it to you, but most decent men, even the ones destroyed by bad marriages / experiences would give their right hand to be with a loving woman who actually wants what is best for them as much as the man wants it for his wife and they have no problems committing for life.

    Problem is, many woman have almost it seems, collectively supported this attitude of so many woman today, who believe that they don’t have to work at anything , they are so worth it, they never err….they talk a great game, sharing every nuance of emotion…yet it isn’t their husband they are talking to – it’s their female friends, who invariably support any and all behaviour ..girl code, women should stick together etc etc…even when what your doing is wrong..and then they feel justified in defending their rubbish behaviour.

    I want to marry one woman and be a unit with her ..everyone else comes second. And
    I will happily look after and support my wife …but guess what …that doesn’t mean I want a woman that sits at home all day doing nothing, while I’m busting my gut. If we have children of course it’s fair and right she is at home(if she wants to be) …but what about all the childless yummy mummies who exist to socialise..until they decide they do want children and then the man truly is denigrated to nothing more than a provider…or the woman whose children are grown up and could easily take a part time job and share the load…Do You think being a ‘real’ man means saying my wife is at home while I work a 60/70 hour week…sorry that’s fantasy …more likely your husband is thinking if we worked together we could retire earlier and spend some time with each other.

    I have no doubt I will hear ‘Looking after children is tough , you don’t do any housework etc etc …but again that is a bit of a myth too…most guys I know cook and clean and don’t need telling that the bathroom needs cleaning, in fact most single guys apartments are far cleaner than their girlfriends.

    Why don’t you ask yourself , after work, after household chores, after ferrying the kids everywhere, all done willingly you sit down and your wife can only say she met Beth and the girls in town today for lunch how much you would respect that in a man?

    Men are not stupid they see this all over the place , they hear the guy two desks down talking about it , or the guy devastated his wife left him and taken way more than is fair and now her new boyfriend is in his house ….even though he wasnt the one that had the affair.

    If you want men to commit , many of you have to step up ladies and stop taking the easy route or treating your husbands liek facilitators to your life objectives.The good news is that many are willingly to still, because when everything is said and done , real love between a man and a woman who treat each other well , is the most incredible thing

    • Insidious Sid

      “The good news is that many are willingly to still.”
      No, that’s bad news. Because men are dumb enough to tolerate deplorable behavior, women know there is no need to change. Good news is when men walk away and women start to notice. For example “Where have all the good marriageable men gone?”

      • WithoutAMaster

        MGTOW.

      • Richard

        If I hear a lady say this one more time I will turn in to the incredible hulk and start throwing buildings at people!

        Want to know where all the good men are? “Hello, I’m right HERE!”. I’m a good guy, sure, nothing more than that certainly, but I am ‘good’. You ignored me repeatedly in favour of a man who was never going to treat you correctly.

        I’m fed up of being ignored, so I quit with women. I’m twenty-seven and within the ‘marrying’ age range as a result.

        • Jessica

          Don’t do that now, lol. Don’t give up on love either. There is a woman out there looking for you. Hell, I’d ask you out myself if I hadn’t been snatched up and married to a good man. You might believe you’re being ignored; you never know who’s watching and waiting to make you their one and only man.

          • Insidious Sid

            Yeah, a woman who will “settle” for a GOOD GUY like Richard but only see him as a resource that one day she will probably just cast aside. Give up on LOVE lmao. Love is a word that women use to justify some of the most deplorable behavior on the planet, especially when she’s “NO LONGER IN LOVE”. Most dangerous animal on earth – a woman OUT OF LOVE. (A state of perpetual seething hate!)

            • Jessica W

              No need to be bitter and project it towards people who want to give encouragement to those who need it. I see why you’re lonely and bitter. You haven’t forgiven the women who have done you wrong. They still have power over you. Forgive them and take that power away from them.

      • Marc Brown

        I’m just gonna leave this here…..

        😉

        …. every time I hear a woman make that statement.

    • mack

      they dont talk like this publicly about women cause they know better then to put themselves and their life in danger. Criticizing a women even if slightly is considered misoginy or you get shamed constantly. but one thing is for sure: they dont say it but they think the way we do.

    • Marc Brown

      “Problem is, many woman have almost it seems, collectively supported this attitude of so many woman today, who believe that they don’t have to work at anything , they are so worth it, they never err…”

      Social media makes this attitude spread like wildfire.

  • Siana

    Aren’t any of you paying attention to what you’re writing?! Most men don’t want custody of their children anyway. None of you want your kids!! You’re just pissed because you have to pay for them. When you divorce and throw out your wife and children, you want to reset. You don’t want to have anythInvto do with them. Most women that divorce are stay at home moms. They need time to find jobs after divorce as most employers will not hire them. A woman carries your stupid kids for almost a year and it’s only fair you pay for them. The other side of the coin is that women work just as much as as men do. They have jobs now as well as taking care of you manchildren and your s

    • Mary

      I sense a lot of ignorant hate and anger in this post.

      • RealityCheck

        But what many that has been said is the Real Truth.

    • Aaron

      Statistically, women initiate 80% of all divorces that occur in America. So the idea that men are the ones throwing away their wife and kids and uprooting their families is dishonest.

      But not only that, the moment the courts remove a father from access to his children, he is four times as likely to commit suicide.

      Furthermore, when women divorce their husbands and remove him from his children, the kids have a statistically higher chance of suffering from depression, anger, teen suicide, dropping out of school, getting into prostitution, criminal activity, ending up in prison and living on menial wages with no ambition.

      All because women wanted a divorce. So that idea that men don’t want their kids, is in a word, misguided.

      • Jessica

        People don’t realize that not only do the adults suffer after a divorce, the children (if there are any) suffer the worst. Children need BOTH parents whether they are together or not to raise and guide them in the right direction. True, there are deadbeat dads; there are also deadbeat moms. I have seen both sides. Not a pretty picture.

    • DarthW

      Actually Siana, wives initiate divorces 70% of the time when they are uneducated and 90% of the time is she is educated. WIVES divorce husbands way more. WIVES throw out their husbands and essentially the future of their children.

    • Insidious Sid

      I have 50% custody and spend all of that time with my kids. I do my housework, home and car maintenance and overtime on MY time when she has the kids. Shows what you know.

    • Luke

      If our society – as heavily influenced by feminism as it is didn’t show such disrespect toward fatherhood, we might want more to do with our children. But not many people say, “Listen to your father” anymore. It’s always about what’s best for mom.