How to Become the Kind of Woman Men Want to Marry

Before I begin, let me just share a few extracts taken from an anti-marriage website:

“My wife was a frigid, shrivelled b***h. Before we were married, we had plenty of sex, but as soon as we passed the six month mark after our wedding, she stopped being interested. My wife only f***s when she “feels sexy.” Translation: when I give her jewellery. She is just a withered old bag at the age of 35.”

“What security is there for men in marriage? If I cheat on my wife, she gets half my s**t. If she cheats on me, she still gets half my s**t. Why the f*** should i get married”

“We had one kid. Wife stays home, but the kid wears her out. I bust my f****** ASS 60 hrs/week and get no credit. Wife gives me guilt when I don’t throw everything down right after work to watch this screaming, annoying f****** kid so she can go out to the gym, or to some restaurant with her friends, or to her sister’s house to watch movies.

She gets to take naps during the day when the baby sleeps, and every time I call her on the cell during the day, she is at Starbucks with her Mom or friends. She says that doesn’t count as “Her time” because she’s with the baby.

I’ve had enough. I feel so undervalued and OWNED. She is so ‘entitled’ now it’s like 60 (or 70, or 80) hours a week from me is EXPECTED. Being at work from 8-7 counts as my ‘social’ time, so I am not allowed to have any friends or ever do ANYTHING outside of change F****** DIAPERS”

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MY ANSWER

Hi there 🙂

I hope you’re having a lovely day and I haven’t thrown you off with those comments above! Now I am sure that, even just by reading these words you can see the frustration, resentment and anger inside these men.

(Please note: whilst I acknowledge that marriage takes 2, and that men need to step up and take charge of their own actions as well – this website is for women, so I focus mainly on what can be done from the woman’s end).

It’s true; if I was a man in this day and age, I would be quite put off marriage to many of the the modern women in the Western world. Truth be told, the state of our society has done some really bad things to the balance of masculine-feminine and to the values of women and men. (Click here to take the quiz “Am I Dating a Commitment Friendly Man?”)

The reason why men do not marry is actually really simple. A lot of men feel that there is nothing in it for them!

And what IS in it for them when they don’t have a good woman? The fast-moving modern world that we live in has ensured that women are working longer hours, juggling more responsibilities, and progressively less able to place their men as their top priority.

In fact, most women place their children at the top of their priorities – which may seem like the best thing to do, but men can grow to resent this as their women are more fulfilled taking care of their kids than they are taking care of their men.

In the meantime, their man gets/feels neglected. Even more important – most women just have no idea how men work. They do not understand them, and most of them do not want to understand them; they’re too busy attending to their other tasks or priorities – in other words, themselves.

However, just as you want to be understood; so does your man! It’s important to not be a man-hater, or a man-basher and stop putting everything down to “Men just want sex”. This is not always true, and true love does exist.

How to become marriage material

So how do you become the kind of woman men want to marry? I will give some strategies below:

– Stop thinking of yourself.

Spend 60 days taking responsibility for your man’s needs and seeing things from his perspective, no matter how hard things are for you. If you do this, he may be more receptive to your needs and you will most likely get him in a different state; a state where you can bring up the topic of your needs with him.

– Understand him, and how he works.

Work out what his needs and values are, and start to understand. If you’re often defensive, start to seek understanding. Understanding gives you control and empowerment. We have a program called Understanding Men, click here to get more information about this phenomenal program.

You’ll have a lot more certainty and happiness in your relationship if you start to understand that you DO have control over it – and you CAN make it better. More importantly, if you know how to meet his needs in a variety of ways better than anyone else ever could – he would have no reason not to want to be with you for as long as possible!

– Do not deny him sex regularly and do not use it as a commodity; do not ever use sex to specifically get what you want from him, if you want sex to be, for the long-term, a mutually enjoyable thing that you both share together.

Also, when you do sleep with him, be real, be honest and be generous. What do I mean by this? I mean understand him and learn why he wants sex. Don’t do it hoping it will be over soon. He knows this. He feels it. (Click here to take the quiz “How Naturally Feminine Am I Actually?”)

It is very hard on a man to be sleeping with a woman who wants it to be over, and treats his sexual needs as another “chore” to be done on the list. It’s important that you make time for him, and for the both of you to be together and to keep the passion alive and kicking.

– Have high standards for yourself.

Get fit, eat well. Also, just because you have had a child does not mean it’s ok to be overweight, depressed or “old” or no fun anymore. My lovely, as hard as it can be to look after so many things, and to have so many things on your mind, make it a habit to set your standards high.

If you want the great rewards and a fantastic loving husband who adores you, start by adoring him and understanding him. Understand that a man like his wife to look nice, not just for the sake of looking nice, BUT because he wants to know that his wife/girlfriend still CARES enough to bother making herself look nice for him.

This goes regardless of age. Just because a woman is 60, does not mean she can’t look good anymore. It’s more about never getting “old” on the inside, which then affects the outside.

These are a few good things that you can do to ensure you are on the right track to being the kind of woman a man wants to marry. And, it’s not all about getting a man to marry you or commit to you, it’s about starting by giving without expecting anything in return. (read my article about the difference between pleasing and giving)

Men aren’t as terrible as so many women say. They are not “all the same”, and men are happy to be loyal and give to us and cherish a good woman who takes care of his needs and gives beyond herself. They are not always unreasonable creatures, there are compassionate, caring men around.

And, your man should do the same, too. Relationships are about giving.

If you would like to know exactly step by step how to inspire your man to commit to you and marry you, I suggest you sign up to my program Commitment Control 2.0. It is the best program of its kind to help women in casual situations to a deeply devoted and committed relationship. Click here to register to watch the Commitment Masterclass. 

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859 Comments

  • Bemiw says:

    May I add one more thing to your comment that so many men “feel that there is nothing in it for them”. It is worse than that. Much worse.
    At last count, 48% of marriages end in divorce. Of those, 70% are initiated by women (Yes true!)
    Times men lose their children – 90%. Times men are ordered to pay child maintenance – 90%.
    Times men lose half of everything they own – 100%. Then, depending on where you live – there is alimony and who knows what else.
    Fact is – for men today, marriage not only offers many of them little but bills and servitude, but also comes with a HUGE risk.
    The result – In 1960, 78% of adults were married. In 2015, 48%, and falling.
    Fact is, we now have had 2 generations of men since feminism. Almost half of these have witnessed their fathers get totally screwed over by their feminist mothers, and their grandfathers get totally screwed over by their feminist grandmothers; and – not surprisingly – they are now saying “No way – not me!”
    This is a very big reason why this generation of young women are finding it so hard to find quality young men who are prepared to commit in marriage or long term relationship.
    They are *not* being lazy or irresponsible, as many feminist attacks suggest, rather they are making reasonable, logical, rational decisions about their futures in the face of the current social reality.
    This presents huge challenges for the current generation of young women, who not only have to find and keep a quality young man in a dwindling supply of willing and suitable suitors, and who not only need to offer their men a lifelong commitment that proves to the world that loyal, loving, secure and safe relationship with a good woman is still possible, but who also have to somehow have to face the challenge of undoing the damage and improving things for their own future sons and daughters.

  • Darren McLain says:

    I’m 49 years old. I’ve been married 23 years. I’m not an abuser, an adulterer, or an addict. My wife chose years ago to limit our relationship by playing everything close to the vest and keeping me at arms length. I’ve single-handedly cared for my family for 18 years. I remained true to my commitment even though it was hard, ever hoping things could change. Three weeks ago she served me divorce papers and now I’m looking at paying her for the rest of my life, the rest of her life, or until she remarries. Really? This is the reward for my faithfulness? This is so unjust.

  • The Dude says:

    As your website is “for women” the sexism just bleeds through…great job. Try reading some Brene Brown…women are the patriarchy.

  • Sean Michael Diggs says:

    Never won a hand in poker, blackjack, hold em, and if i bet on red it will land on black. I have no luck when it comes to gambling. Id have to be an IDIOT to roll the dice in the greatest gamble of them all, marriage.

  • Charles Hurst says:

    Wow it seems this lady writing is what we in MGTOW call a unicorn. That’s a good thing my dear. But so rare that us MGTOWs gave up trying to find one.

    Nice article but let me state something. . . for all the non unicorn women out there aka “the modern woman.” If you have to follow these points to get a man to marry you then you aren’t a good woman, you are an actress until the ring is placed. Don’t think we MGTOWs don’t know that. Sorry Renee, the unicorn is the exception but the rule is the rule. I’m almost fifty and still doing ten rounds of thai kickboxing on the heavy bag and lift weights and have the same weight class I had twenty years ago. I’m 25% retired already. I could have a wife anytime I wanted one. And there is NO way I would chance whether the girl I’m with is putting on the act or is really a unicorn. Or a unicorn who may get her horn sawed off by all the other harpies out there. So here is my quote I gave when I found out that I had been a MGTOW (men going their own way) long before I knew there was even a term. Good article and best to you but there are too many bad women out there now. To them I say——-

    ” Just had to say. For the last ten years I have held the attributes of those who have forsaken relationships with the vile, nagging, gynocentric, raging harpy that has become the western woman. And I am equally elusive of the gold diggers outside of the west. I have never concealed my intense dislike for this devolved creature, the “woman” and my willingness and want for nothing more than for her to be gone by sunrise. Especially since I have gained currency by disregarding her over the years to the point where I have accumulated real wealth. I am sure there are exceptions to the rule in the less than fair sex. And I am equally sure I will not chance on finding that small minority.

    Only in the last year have I trolled the internet to see if perhaps others felt as I. By pure accident I fell into Sandman, Angry MGTOW and of course our favorite Aussie from MGTOW 101. I had never heard the term MGTOW and had no reason to convert as I had already witnessed “the light” of being completely non envious of my divorced friends or hopelessly wrecked friends who had long lost their files to cut through the bars of their self constructed prisons. I had been told in the past that the reason for my discontent was my rough childhood with my matriarch and aunts. To which I answer: 1) I have no discontent and am thoroughly delighted in my freedom 2) thank God for my rough childhood as I now have the cynical self defense skills to never fall into the vagina trap of miserable matrimony.
    Alas though I have a name–finally. I do not hide in the shadows.”

  • Vana says:

    I would ask men the same question. I make my own money. I cook, I clean. I can run a household. So other than sex, what can a man offer me?

    • BlueLanternMonk says:

      Side a man’s social status and power (see: income) are most important to women and most wives put out less than once a week, there’s nothing that a man could offer an old, fat, infertile woman; better to find a youger less established lady. Lol!

  • Scott B says:

    It’s simple, for me the risk of marriage is has never been worth the reward. Pretty simple. And now I have proof women think the same way. I’m dating a high earning doctor. I’m an engineer and she makes double what I do. She doesnt want to get married because she is scared to jeapordize everything she built and her future earnings. She admits there is a double standard in media and society that empowers women to be independant and shames men for doing the exact same thing.

  • Mister Alighieri says:

    Great article. If more women did these things, more men would marry and divorce would be less of an issue. However with divorce being a real threat, many men -good men- are deciding that it isn’t worth the risk. As women have changed over the last 50 years to take on careers and jobs. Many men have also learned to handle the domestic realm well enough. So more men can cook and clean and care for a home without a woman. Sex is easily obtainable via charisma or cash. Companionship can be found amongst friends. So that leaves the desire for children that some men have as the only reason for marriage. And with the biased courts that men face during divorce there is a 50% chance that he will have them taken from him anyway and still be forced to pay. So many young and older men simply forgo marriage and sometimes even relationships with women. There just isn’t anything left in the institution for men any more.

  • Crystal says:

    I also salute and respect the man above that you quoted and would not take bullshit from his wife and let himself be USED. Why?
    Because most men DO NOT STAND UP LIKE THAT. They let themselves be used and manipulated by frigid, lazy wives. Just like the man I love is doing now happily, working his ass off to support that frigid cunt who always says how tired she is and how she needs his help 24hrs/day. He works 11 hours a day sometimes and then stays with the kids at night so that she gets sleep. What the fuck is wrong with you people?

    He is not one, I have many men friends and acquaintances who are the same! The would not choose a sexual, giving and sensible woman but they are married to whiny manipulative frigid bitched and they are completely blind to how they are being used!!

    So yes, good that a man finally woke up and spoke what needed to be said! TRUTH

  • Crystal says:

    Do not agree!!
    I have been in a relationship with a man with whom I had amazing sex, he was my world to me and I was putting him first before anyone else in my life. He said he loved me….He left me for a frigid woman (or asexual, whatever) who is putting their kids first now and only wanted him to have stability and some kids to raise with his support.

    And he is happy like that. I have learnt men value you more when you DO put yourself first. They also value freedom. He actually told me that ‘our relationship was too ‘intense’. My love was too intense. My attention to him and to our relationship and my passionate love did not help at all.

    Will you tell me men are not asses? Maybe they are not. But from what I have witnessed so far, they are complete idiots because 99% of the time they throw away love and go for what is easy and non exciting. I gave him everything. We had everything. He gave it away and I was left broken.

    • BlueLanternMonk says:

      Taylor et al. (2000) first proposed the idea of a unique female stress response which they termed “tend-and-befriend.” The tend-and-befriend response is characterized as an oxytocin mediated stress response cascade. There are numerous biochemical and evolutionary explanations for this unique female stress response that would have increased the survival of females and their offspring under conditions of stress and hence increased the chances of subsequent reproduction. Estrogen has been found to increase the effects of oxytocin already in excess in females as compared with males. Testosterone and vasopressin, the counterparts of estrogen and oxytocin, present during the male stress response, “fight-or-flight,” have been found to exhibit the opposite effects of oxytocin.

  • Elizabeth Grant says:

    Hi Renee, I think you will also find that once men have had their children, they place even less value on women. You will see that in the posts that are in response to your blog, as well as in society. 50% of marriages end up in divorce, and of the 50% of men that are divorced, or getting divorced, those who have children, see no real value in women, even in the mothers of their children. And from there, once they have their kids, they view, and treat, women even worse, even these own very mothers of their children. So how can you ask women to do even more for men, whilst men treat women worse now than ever before. In your blog above, you will see, if you analyse it carefully, that women don’t really dote so much on their children any more, as there is so much more out to life than there was in the old days. There is more to do than just live for the children. So why does this man still resent his wife, and resent having to work and support his wife and child? There is more to that story than meets the eye. I am sure his wife would love to spend more time with him and dote on her husband more. That is what society teaches us to do today, and that is actually so much fun. to have your husband/partner as your best friend and so much fun with him. So why doesn’t she? Again, time to go back to the drawing board….

    • BlueLanternMonk says:

      Lol, bb! You’re correct, about me. I cuckolded a good man, at no personal expense and I’m a motherless misogynist. 70% of American men ages 20-34 aren’t married and women lose 90% of their ovarian eggs by the age of thirty. You’re a cutie! Women should be property, like the virtually useless, Affirmative Action sponging, animals that you are and always will be.

      • Elizabeth Grant says:

        You are insane. Have you no better purpose with your life? You don’t even know who, and what, you are talking to. Rave on in lunacy. You are on the wrong forum here. You missed the boat.

        • BlueLanternMonk says:

          I’m a strong swimmer, like the sperm that I cuck’d a good man with and unlike Affirmative Action recipient’s, such as white woman and all other nigger’s. I like how you have such soft and squishy emotes for me, honey! Go make me a casserole; after you service my other needs, which are your only real use, outside of reproduction. You’re to be property, little girl!
          ‘Women like bad boys, but just how bad? According to a new study, the most self-absorbed men may be the best choice for women who desire reproductive success.
          A group of researchers from Jagiellonian University, Krakow, University of Liverpool, and the University of Turku, Finland, decided to take a look at some of the darkest personality traits recognized in humans, and how they impacted reproductive success. The “Dark Triad” is a group of three personality traits — narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy. The “dark” part is that those scoring high on these traits are implied to have malevolent qualities. These personality traits are also associated with certain physical features, as well, leading to the “dark and brooding” stereotype.’
          http://www.medicaldaily.com/bad-boy-narcissistic-dark-triad-375294

        • BlueLanternMonk says:

          I love you too, as a sex object. You girl’s are saying literally the same thing, two comment’s in a row. I don’t have a feemale brain, unlike our feemale voting majority; with its larger emotion and communication center’s. I have larger sex and aggression center’s, as a man – the apex predator of Earth. I’m offering you two how’s the solution. 54% of American women voted for Hillary Clinton and she’s a self proclaimed feminist and only men may be conscripted. Women’s happiness is way down…..look it up, bitch! Smash them titties together, like I like?

  • Elizabeth Grant says:

    Hi Renee, I have been reading your posts and blogs and emails with interest, as yours is a topic that has interested me for over 20 years, whilst I have lived around the whole world, and been married twice, in addition to having been in several relationships, from the age of 18. What still baffles me, is the age-old, ‘how to be the most perfect woman for a man possible’. In reading this post above, it is all still about how women should please men, when I think the whole feminist move (which I totally hate) started with women feeling short-changed, over-stretched, and undervalued. We have still not, in reading your article above, evolved from that, and managed to create more meaningful and lasting relationships with men. In addition to that, I work in property, and with thousands of people annually, in their personal homes and lives, for a period of over 22 years. I have only ever met 12 stay-at home mom’s in this period, spanning several continents! Most men these days expect a woman to work, and share 50% of the household expenses, even though women only, if in top positions, still earn about a maximum of 70% of what men earn in the same positions. Most women earn less than theirs husbands/partners, but still have to fork out 50% of the costs, and you will find that men still don’t buy groceries, and clothes for the children, and leave this to women to buy, in addition to the women’s share of the 50% other expenses. Now you can add the pressure of social media to this, pressuring women into looking as good as celebrities at all times of day, and the ‘instant gratification’ of Facebook, Twitter, date-sites etc, whereby if the woman does not have the time to spend on a man’s ego all day, with back-and-forth messages and nude photos, there is another lady, or more, on stand-by, to do so, and what is in it for women these days? In addition to that, men are not interested in getting to really know women any more, and investing time, energy, attention and money on them. They have their own busy lives to lead, and are mostly interested in women when they are bored or idle, after working long weeks, and then they only want instant company, sex and perhaps money from this person on the days that they have nothing else to do, and they DO NOT want to invest more time and energy, than just for those times.i really think that this whole topic about how to be more feminine and divine is based on the wrong foundations. I think women should be taught to go back to the drawing board, and be taught how to CHOOSE a man more wisely, rather than be told how to be the perfect wife for an unsuitable man. The example you used above cannot represent more than 10% of partnerships/marriages in today’s society. It is outdated, and irrelevant to MOST women out there. I believe we should go back to basics. It’s pointless trying to coach a woman to be her best with a less than suitable man. Did you not realise than men also evolved? Most of them don’t view women in the same light any more. They now want as much out of a woman for even less in return than before. The whole approach is outdated and needs to be reviewed, if REAL value were to be added.

    • BlueLanternMonk says:

      https://pics.me.me/stupid-niggers-somebody-take-that-rocket-launcher-away-from-jamal-3932755.png
      *Nigger’s of every shade are the women of race and our voting majority of feemales arethe nigger’s of gender. Only men are required, by law, to register for Selective Service and only men may be conscripted; therefore, only men should be able to vote. White men are the only non-minority class and don’t and receive Affirmative Action; as such, only white men have any merit in the workplace!*
      ‘It’s the bitterest of ironies: thousands of men who’ve given up work to care for their children are being ditched by their high-flying wives – who wanted them to stay at home in the first place. At the time it seemed like a good idea. After all, Richard Dean told himself, he was earning less than his wife Louise, a high-flying marketing executive. And did it really matter who was at home to look after their children? With that in mind, it was not such a difficult decision for him to give up his career as a manager in the manufacturing industry to look after their ten-month-old son, Jack. He hoped it would bring them closer together as a family. In reality, it sounded the death knell for their marriage.’
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-467390/Househusband-backlash-high-flying-wives-ditch-men-em-em-wanted-stay-home.html
      Women supported Clinton over Trump by 54% to 42%. This is about the same as the Democratic advantage among women in 2012 (55% Obama vs. 44% Romney) and 2008 (56% Obama vs. 43% McCain).

      By 53% to 41%, more men supported Trump than Clinton (the 12-point margin is identical to the margin by which women supported Clinton).
      http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trumps-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/
      Introducing affirmative action causes a substantial increase in the number of female competitors, and this supply effect reduces the cost of requiring equal representation of women.
      Despite decades of striving for gender equality, there are still large differences between men and women in the labor market. Women are more likely to hold clerical or nurturing jobs while men are more visible in manufacturing. Across fields, men are disproportionately found in professional and managerial occupations. Even among graduates of top tier business schools, female MBAs are more likely to work in the non-profit sector, to work part time, or to drop out of the work force entirely. One theory suggests that women are underrepresented in many high-profile jobs, and across entire professions, because of the way they respond to competition: men are eager to compete, while women often shy away from competitive environments.
      In How Costly is Diversity? Affirmative Action in Light of Gender Differences in Competitiveness (NBER Working Paper No. 13923), authors Muriel Niederle, Carmit Segal, and Lise Vesterlund devise a series of experiments to investigate how affirmative action might affect participants’ willingness to compete, and at what cost. Specifically, they observe 42 men and 42 women at Harvard who competed in a timed tournament involving adding series of 5 two-digit numbers. The tournament rules under affirmative action required that out of two winners, at least one must be a woman. Niederle and her co-authors find that when women are guaranteed equal representation among winners, as in this case, more women and fewer men enter competitions – and the response is even larger than one might predict given the changes in the odds of winning. The response is explained by the affirmative action competition being more gender specific: for example, to win the competition a woman only needs to outperform the other women.
      http://www.nber.org/digest/oct08/w13923.html
      Twenty-two percent of American men without college degrees have not worked at all in the last 12 months, according to The Economist, and a small but significant number may have dropped out of the workforce entirely and now spend their days playing video games.
      That’s about 20 million unemployed US men, of which 7 million aren’t even looking for work, the New York Times reported last year.
      Erik Hurst, an economist at the University of Chicago, thinks a number of them are now playing video games full time, according to The Economist:
      They are not leaving home; in 2015 more than 50% lived with a parent or close relative. Neither are they getting married. What they are doing, Hurst reckons, is playing video games. As the hours young men spent in work dropped in the 2000s, hours spent in leisure activities rose nearly one-for-one. Of the rise in leisure time, 75% was accounted for by video games. It looks as though some small but meaningful share of the young-adult population is delaying employment or cutting back hours in order to spend more time with their video game of choice.
      http://www.businessinsider.com/statistics-unemployed-men-drop-out-workforce-video-games-2017-3
      For Women Who Want Kids, ‘the Sooner the Better’: 90 Percent of EggsGone By Age 30. By the time a woman hits 30, nearly all of her ovarian eggs are gone for good, according a new study that says women who put off childbearing for too long could have difficulty ever conceiving.
      http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/women-fertility-falls-lose-90-percent-eggs-30/story?id=9693015
       Seventy percent of American males between the ages of 20 and 34 are not married, and many live in a state of “perpetual adolescence” with ominous consequences for the nation’s future, says Janice Shaw Crouse, author of “Marriage Matters.”
      “Far too many young men have failed to make a normal progression into adult roles of responsibility and self-sufficiency, roles generally associated with marriage and fatherhood,” Crouse, the  former executive director of the Beverly LaHaye Institute, wrote in a recent Washington Times oped.
      The high percentage of bachelors means bleak prospects for millions of young women who dream about a wedding day that may never come. “It’s very, very depressing,” Crouse told CNSNews “They’re not understanding how important it is for the culture, for society, for the strength of the nation to have strong families.”
      She pointed out that there’s “no data” to back up the common assertion that a lack of jobs during and after the Great Recession is the primary reason so many young men have been reluctant to tie the knot. “The problem with marriage was long before that,” she pointed out. After decades of feminism, Crouse noted that young men are now the ones who set the parameters for intimate relationships, and those increasingly do not include a wedding ring.
      http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/bachelor-nation-70-men-aged-20-34-are-not-married

  • wolfgang548 . says:

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  • CJS says:

    Out of FOUR divorces I currently know of – including my brother – all are down to the fact the WIFE cheated. In three of those cases the husband has been evicted while the lover moved into the house which the husband still pays for.

    Then these predatory ex-wives proceed to extract EVERY PENNY leaving many of their ex husbands on the park bench destitute…..and women wonder why men are not interested in commitment anymore…LOL!

    Thankfully (and long may it last) I am happily married to a wife for 16 years (with an 8 year age gap) – and no I have never cheated on her or had the need to cheat. Largely because she is a traditional Latina, I take care of her, she takes care of me and she takes great pride in making our house a home.

    She is an excellent mother to our daughter, takes pride in her appearance and makes an effort to stay in shape. As a man I am proud of my attractive wife and proud to be out with her.

    Before I married I had girlfriends from many nationalities having lived in many countries. The one thing that became evident to me is that many western women have become toxic with a sense of entitlement….not all obviously but bordering on a majority.

    In a former relationship my partner was all for the “equal rights” and feminist issues…..until it came to the maintenance, cleanliness and expenditure on the house we both shared. When there was ANY work to be done she was nowhere to be seen, I was left with it all…..cooking, cleaning, ironing, house maintenance.

    Needless to say I got tired of her shit….

    These days one walk down the High Street and I fully understand why legions of men are off to Asia or Latin America and come back attached.

    Bottom line men want attractive women and women want dependable men who can provide that’s the way of the world and is a perfectly reasonable contract.

    Sorry but toxic western feminists are reaping what they have sowed. The rage against everything masculine is backfiring spectacularly….hello Sweden, come in Sweden, hope you have your Burkas ready!

    Through my wife I hear of a lot of women complaining that men are not interested in commitment anymore….I look at half of them and listen to their attitudes and I can see exactly why.

    Men cannot be bothered listening to that feminist shit anymore and are actively throwing out the garbage and either hooking up with attractive foreign girls or simply live a single mans life.

  • Brian Kerr says:

    lol … MGTOW

  • David Fife says:

    Western culture and marriage have demonized men.

    Men are treated as potential rapists, knuckle dragging cavemen by universities, popular media and society. Most commercials and television programs portray men as dumb F#cks who are damn lucky to have found their wife/girlfriend. We all know that women are better at relationships, better at raising children, spiritually more evolved, and just overall better human beings!

    If a man cheats on his wife, he loses his children, his house, and more than 50% of his income.

    If a wife cheats on her husband, he loses his children, his house, and more than 50% of his income.

    It is a system that is rigged against men and has pathologized masculinity. The decision to opt out is a rational choice by men. When men are asked why they opted out they are typically shamed by women by saying “failure to launch” commitment phobic, he’s a man child, etc… Rather than acknowledge the horrible state of marriage in the West.
    My buddy from high school works in a planned parenthood clinic, part time as community service. He says about 75% of the women who come in there have STDs. Many of them are non-treatable, e.g. herpes, genital warts. I am presuming the percentage is similar in men. What has modern culture done to both sexes so that we behave this way, and it is socially acceptable?

    Btw, the same guy above, while going to medical school, his wife was having sex with multiple men. She said that “he was gone all the time and they had grown emotionally distant.” Of course he did! He was in medical school! They had children together and he wanted to be in their life, so he asked her to try to work it out by attending counseling. She said “no”, then claimed he got her to have sex when she wasn’t really “feeling it”. (That’s 99.9999% of marriages, btw) She got the kids, more than half of his income, child support and other monthly stipends. After the courts got done with him, he was living in his mother’s basement, rent-free because that is all he could afford. She later admitted that she had somewhat embellished the truth in court in order to get custody of the children. She then moved out of state to ensure that he wouldn’t have access to his children. Then poisons the children against the father! He tells his ex he’ll get a job where she lives, and she threatens him with moving if he moves to the same state. She has since gone on to have three children by two other men, none of whom married her. What a gal!

    He got remarried and has been married for about 15 years now.

    I would like to say that this story is unique. It is probably one of the worst examples that I am aware of, however, I have a handful of friends that have a similar story.
    I myself am married. I got lucky. Dumb luck.
    When it comes time to get a divorce, women are holding most of the cards. The choice of men to not get married is a rational choice. If you want men to feel differently, the courts and society must start to treat them differently.

    • Jim Johnson says:

      Yup, I have a coworker whose ex decided to try the dark meat, left him with two kids. Never gets a dime of childcare, 5 years (and two marriages) after she said in court that she doesn’t want the kids, she is having second thoughts and may get them back. Turn that around, and tell me if the guy would have any chance to win custody.

  • Person says:

    Why don’t we just practice marriage under “god” instead of law? you know, keep the tradition alive, but don’t do anything official.

  • JR says:

    Lady, your writing is on point. I’m 42 years married, 4 kids, to a lady like you and thank God of it. Most young women today are not ladies, and Churches only speaks of the responsibilities of husbands, but not the obedience and respect owed them. God bless you,, and while my 3 daughters who are ladies have had no problems finding real men (1 not yet married), my son has given up trying to find a lady, All my son sees are self-entitled women with no idea of what a lady is. Thank you, God bless you.

  • David Madden says:

    U want to know a whole website why men cant be fucked with marriages —
    including this article — (https://pairedlife.com/problems/Top-10-Things-Men-Do-To-Destroy-Their-Marriage) if women where there for men in the times that are worse or did even 10 things on our list to help us as men with life — vs the 1,000,000 list women have to keep them happy — lol really whats the fucking point there worthless and not worth more then offering sex , so why not just put a price tag on them fuck them and be done they offer nothing else !

  • blah blah says:

    I think also modern dating has put many men off of marriage.

    What is modern dating? Basically a guy spending a lot of money going broke to show a woman what a “Good Provider” he can be.

    That makes no sense.

    “Let me show you what a good provider I can be by taking you out to expensive dinners, concerts, shows, etc.”

    And… in doing so… the woman is proving two things about herself…

    1) she’s a mooch… she’s a drain on her man’s resources
    2) she’s not providing anything … she’s not cooking… all that she’s really providing is sex.

    So, modern dating is basically just softcore prostitution; you’re with a girl and constantly shower her with meals, shows and things in order to keep sleeping with her.

    So, marriage… as a guy that’s dated and gone through the above bullshit… seems like it would just turn into a long-term version of that above.

    Why would a guy want to marry a woman that is a) a constant drain on his resources, b) provides nothing to him other then sex occasionally?

    “But, she has education and money!”

    A woman’s education only benefits her if she’s only spending her money on herself. And most women only spend their money on themselves. They feel that a man should be ever-so-greatful for her to even spend a dime on him. Most women view their money as “maintenance money”… it’s hers to spend on herself to keep looking good (getting waxed, buying fancy clothes, buying smelly shit that goes around the house to make it seem “homey”, etc).

    So… again… a guy views marriage as “my money is our money, and her money is her money”.

    A modern woman wants to have a job and get burned out from it like her guy, so when she comes home she doesn’t want to cook or clean. (That’s what going out to eat and hiring a maid is for).

    A modern woman just wants to be a “kept woman”. And modern guys are getting sick of that. There’s nothing they bring to the table other then a vagina… and every woman has a vagina, so what makes hers so special? She wants him to spend money on her, she works and spends her own money on herself, she works so doesn’t have any energy to maintain a household, she works so has no energy to have kids or raise kids…

    Marrying a modern woman is like marrying a child… it’s something you have to take responsibility for, maintain, spend money on… and you get very little out of it other then the occasional “oh, that’s great, sweetie, aren’t you amazing (roll eyes, b/c you don’t really mean that you’re just saying it)”

    I’m sure modern guys are no treat either.

    Our modern work lives disassociate us from our primal need for self-satisfaction. We used to grow our own food, build our own homes… we reaped what we sowed.

    These days we work jobs that we put all our blood, sweat and tears into, someone else gets the bulk of the reward for our hard work and hands us peanuts and a pat on the head to go buy what we need. We take that money and get food, shelter, etc… there is no self-satisfaction.

    Why do you think your guy is always out working on the car? Because he gets out of it what he puts into it. There is a tangible self-satisfaction. I put in a bigger engine. Car goes faster. (Tim Allen grunting noise). There is no middle man that gets to reap the reward of the hard work.

    So, we have a lot of disenfranchised guys trying to date girls that are also working and have lost the art of being a Domestic Goddess… and we’re all just a bunch of burned-out messes trying to figure out why we would get married when all we’re really looking for is some companionship and sex. In the old days we each brought something to the table. A guy would hunt, fix things, etc, a woman wuold cook, clean. (Granted, there was overlap in gender roles… some women would hunt and gather, some men would help raise kids and tidy the house.) We’ve lost this sense of self-satisfaction… of seeing what each of us brings to the table. It’s all been taken away from us and now we just look at how much money we have and can we get sex for it.

  • blah blah says:

    I saw how marriage worked out for my parents. My mom went around blowing all kinds of money she didn’t have using credit cards. Cops came to the house with a warrant for her arrest for bouncing checks. She wanted to live a lifestyle that was unsustainable, even though my dad was earning good money. Part of the problem was that I think my dad pressured her into having kids before she was ready (and having 3 kids… not stopping with 1 or 2).

    Anyways, marriage meant creditors could call my dad asking for payment on debt he had no clue about. Then he’d come home, get in a fight with my mom, and realize they were thousands of dollars in debt. Like a hundred thousand dollars. He couldn’t just tell the creditors “sorry, my wife is a cunt, you can go fuck yourself, b/c I’m not paying you”. Nope. He had to pay.

    Marriage means you are now responsible for your woman’s stupidity.

    Marriage is all the hassle of traditional society (ie: people expect you to “keep your wife in line”) with all the hassle of modern society (ie: “but you’re not allowed to raise a hand to her, you need to worship her, you need to treat her as an equal, etc”)

    It’s a lose-lose situation for men. Your wife can go out and screw up her life, and it all falls back on you; you have to take accountability and responsibility for her screw ups.

    Then you decide you’ve had enough of it and put her over your knee and spank the shit out of her (because if she’s going to act like a bratty little cunt, she’s going to get punished lke a bratty little cunt.) Then she calls the cops and you get arrested for domestic abuse.

    There is no reason to get married for a man.

    Most women love a man b/c he’s free. Look at all the things women are attracted to when trying to get a man…

    he doesn’t return calls
    he doesn’t return texts
    he doesn’t let you know where he’s going or who he’s with
    he does his own thing, he doesn’t mind leaving you at home to go some place
    he has his own money
    he has his own transportation
    he has his own place

    He is his own person, and you have no assurance that he’s yours. This is what drives women crazy… to know that a man is his own person, and to relish in the time he spends with her knowing he wants to be with her but doesn’t have to be with her. (IE: she’s not supporting him and he has no reason to be with her other then that he likes her company and loves her).

    Marriage pretty much takes most of that away…you move in together, live together, are in each others business every day, he can’t easily leave the situation.

    Add in the fact that some women “save themselves” (virginity) for marriage, which means they have no clue what they like sexually, but have just gotten locked into a relationship with a guy they may find out doesn’t magically meet their needs (Because the women doesn’t have a clue what she likes sexually)…

    It’s just a hot mess.

    I’ve been with my girlfriend for about 8 years. I call her my wife. We are not married in the “government contract all up in your business” way. I told her she was married to me, though. I’m with her. I come home to her. I’m married to her. And she’s married ot me.

    But, I will not get a marriage license and such. My feelings are two fold.

    1) if I ever become the kind of man she doesn’t deserve (ie: alcoholic, asshole, whatever)… I want her to be able to easily leave me

    2) by not being fully “tied down” to each other, we bust our asses to keep each other around. We comfort each other, but we bust our asses to make the relationship sometihng the other wants to come home to and stay in every single day. There is no “oh, I’m married, so I’m stuck with what I’m stuck wtih and now I’m depressed, so I’m gonna eat my depression away and be a fat ass and feel stuck in my situation”. No. If either of us doesn’t like it, we can leave.

    We have taken on marriage-like qualities. I’m the head of household. She provides counselling and suggestion (as a woman should), but I make the final decision on major issues. If she screws up, I spank her. We have our own money, so either of us can leave when we want, but we share expenses. We live together, and have for 5 years. We havne’t cheated on each other. Why? Beacuse both of us dated enough to know what we want. But, both of us know that people change over time. If we become incompatible, then we want to be able to amicably go our separate ways without having it turn into a nasty situation with legal fees, lawyers, divorce expenses and other bullshit. I own my stuff. She owns her stuff. I’m the kind of guy that can walk out the door with the clothes on my back and never come back. That’s part of the appeal. She knows I’m with her because I want to be, not because I have to be.

    Marriage, as the mariage license, state-legalized contract bullshit… is just not appealing to a man. And, I think knowing a guy is tied down to her is not appealing to a woman (subconciously, even though all of them shoot for it).

    Women don’t learn to regret marriage until they get into one. They are just conditioned with this huge fantasy, b/c most are just looking at the huge wedding ceremony where it’s their day to be a princess. They dont’ look beyond it. They dont’ see the countless depressed women at work constantly complaining about marriage, husband and kids. Tehy only focus on the one or two happy wives that have magically made things work. They think their marriage will be that same way.

    It’s delusional.

    • harry g says:

      Sorry, blah blah, but the rules for ‘common law’ marriages are pretty much the same as for regular marriages. Esp. if there are kids and/or she has a feisty lawyer.

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  • Morfy Dau says:

    Its unfortunate that it has come to this. Of the truly good-hearted women out there who want nothing more than to be married and raise a family together with her husband, you have my sympathies. Marriage has almost nothing positive to offer men these days and the risks are severe and long-lasting. This is the world your feminist sisters have foisted upon our society. I suggest having a drink (or a bit of your drug of choice) and make the best of it.

  • Dave says:

    The main reason why my son refuses to marry is that he is convinced that his wife will wake up one morning and say that she wants a divorce. He and his friends believe that all women want marriage and most of them want divorce, child support and alimony. When I retired a couple of years ago, I passed on a beautiful house to my son and he is determined to not lose it in divorce court.
    I can’t blame him considering that 75% of all divorces are initiated by the woman.
    Perhaps someone can explain to me why so many women change their minds after saying I Do. After all, it’s usually the woman who is pushing for commitment and marriage.

    • Red Pill Wisdom says:

      “Perhaps someone can explain to me why so many women change their minds after saying I Do.”

      It’s really VERY simple:
      First, it’s because THEY CAN;
      Next, it’s because their choice is backed up by the government (our spineless politicians pandering for the female/feminist vote), the threat of violence by law enforcement (‘the White Knights in Blue Uniforms’), the legal system, the media, and society.

      Go MGTOW — because it’s better to be single than to wish that you were.

  • John Davenport says:

    Quite frankly I would like to get married and have children, but in this day and age that means never retiring and risking everything that this woman won’t screw me completely. How can you know someone well enough that they won’t change their minds and leave you hanging 10 years down the road? Ideally I would change the economy and society, but I don’t have that power, so it doesn’t look like marriage or family is in the cards for me 🙁

  • susannunes says:

    What a repellent site. Women should just contort their lives to make some dude “happy.” “Femininity” is just code for second-class status, for being property of some dude. What a waste of time, of a life. But then again I am much older than the target audience, but I went through this “had to have a man” crap when I was young. It was a complete waste of time when there was and is so much else to do. I am much better off on my own not having to twist my life to conform to what some stupid guy wants..

    • harry g says:

      I suspect that if you were in a “committed” lesbian relationship you’d have the same complaints. It ain’t the guys, sweetheart.

  • Hill Billy says:

    My wife and I have seen to many good men’s lives destroyed by women. We have two, good hard working grown sons and they to have seen to many friends screwed over by women. For them to find a good girl is like trying to play poker and the deck is marked against you. We have told them to stay away from american women and western women in general. We told them to look overseas to countries where women are more traditional. They have both dated, and the girls always started out nice, but then would turn into nutbag progressive feminist. We want grand children, but not at the expense of our sons lives.

    • susannunes says:

      What a disgusting woman-hating person you are. Of course you are a racist to stereotype Asian women especially as passive little doormats because you men are such losers you can’t stand for women to be anything else than sex toys, incubators, and servants. Of course, foreign women aren’t stupid, contrary to your racist attitude. Your sons are a twisted mess because you are a misogynist mess of a human being.

      • Hill Billy says:

        Lol!!!!! Thank you, you just proved my point. Why would any man want anything to do with someone like you. Women wonder why so many good men are running away from marrying them, go look in the mirror. Your not women any more, you are all some weird hybrid of a man and a woman. So if what I said offends your delicate little mind, tuff. You better get used to hearing the truth because more and more men are starting to get a spine back and their not intimidated by you fowl mouthed womenmen.

      • Hill Billy says:

        You prove my point completely. Thank you.

  • panait ciprian says:

    you forget respect. Showing a man that you respect him and what he does for you goes a long way. If you just ask him to do more it will not work. Also women should realize how easy their life is and be a little more grateful.

    • susannunes says:

      It cuts both ways, dude. Men need to respect women, not think their lives should revolve around them. That is the problem. Too many men are sociopaths who cannot even conceive that women are human beings, not some body for a man to dump his semen in. Sure, women’s lives are “easy,” you stupid ass.

      • BlueLanternMonk says:

        …..are you related to Jackie Chan? …..because you’re kind of funny! Did you know that 70% of American men ages 20-34 aren’t married or that there’ll be Selective Service registry for women, around the year 2018? ….no? Well, unless you take my word for it; you still don’t! Hahaha-hahaha!
        “Women are nothing but machines for producing children.” – Napoleon Bonaparte

  • Marguerite H. says:

    I also am going through a divorce. My marriage failed because two(not one) person failed. And that’s ok. As a woman who sacrificed a grounded career in order to help him build his…..well, need I say more. He continues on to make a 6 figure income that I sacrificed while I start off in low income and work to increase it all the while being middle aged. I find your views Rene……..and many of the other views here to be simplistic and short sighted. There are no easy answers for sure……..but going to the far right or left will never get anyone to the middle. It’s all kind of sad really.

  • Marguerite H. says:

    I’ve done both in my day……stayed home with kids…..and worked with kids. It was a far easier life going to work than it was staying home. There are a lot of facts and observations missing here.

  • Kristen Wall says:

    If men feel valued and respected in a relationship than women will see a difference in how they are treated, not all men, but those men who are generally decent.. In all this fighting for being the leader women and men have forgotten fundamental values. Men need to know why it is valuable and what is in it for them when they get married and women need a devotion of love and committment. When a man asks a woman to marry him that is his way of showing (generally) that he is offering her all the love he has by making such a commitment. When a woman stops making a man feel valued and appreciated after this he can see it as her losing interest. Men like things they can use and things that tend to his needs and women like frivolous sentimental things (generalization on both sexes) but in all honesty, in this fight for equality women are bull dozing men. I was raised by my father and all i can say is it isn’t hard to make your man a sandwich and get him a beer, it isn’t hard to be enthusiastic and remind your man why he wanted to be with you in the first place. Women don’t realize that any good man who feels valued and like a king will treat his womam like a queen but it goes both ways. There is nothing wrong with getting down of the woman pedestal. There is a difference between wanting equal rights and thinking your better. Men are by far treated just as low and unfair as women at times.
    There is nothing wrong with taking care of a good man and valuing him as a provider and protector, it is a part of how a man’s brain works. They generally want to do the right thing but i agree, why risk it on the chance that you are not valued and constantly belittled. Like i said any good man will love and devote himself to his wife, as long as he is valued and appreciated in return. Males have feelings and insecurities too.

    • BlueLanternMonk says:

      ‘this fight for equality women are bull dozing men.’ – you
      …..if it was about ‘equality’ why didn’t women stop at men’s individual rights? Women get less time, for the same crime and there are no affirmative action quotas for trash collection or hard labor jobs,rather for safe indoor jobs. Men aren’t stupid; we’re loyal, there’s a difference. I can tell you’re a sweet lady,but if men are to provide and women are to nurture; which one costs more money to do? See what I mean? The fact that a lady has to say ‘men have feelings and insecurities, too’….implies that it’s the exception, not the rule. Being a workhorse isn’t worth the risk,anymore. P.S. good effort, anyway.
      “Men have been trained and conditioned by women, not unlike the way Pavlov conditioned his dogs, into becoming their slaves. As compensation for their labours men are given periodic use of a woman’s vagina.” – Esther Vilar

  • Unreal says:

    This thread is like a neckbeard circle jerk. Pathetic.

  • Marc Brown says:

    A woman who treats men fairly and as an equal and not as a disposable tool has nothing to worry about. Just say’n.

  • Insidious Sid says:

    “First off, if you were half a man, you wouldn’t boo hoo, poor you!
    If you had any class at all you’d own the meaning of what it is to be a gentleman. That means to connect with yourself first, having respect for your relationship.”

    ^This. This is the exact kind of female entitlement and narcissism that modern women have rammed into their heads. That just because they have some (often useless) uni degree they are ENTITLED to the perfect man.

    Darling, you don’t know what a REAL MAN is, let alone HALF A MAN, and being a real man has nothing to DO with catering to the whims of a special snowflake like you.

    We’re not “in this together” darling, men are leaving the plantations. It’s you and the cats now. Good men are hind to find because we’re HIDING from YOU! 🙂

    NO WIFE HAPPY LIFE. MGTOW FOREVER!!!

    • BlueLanternMonk says:

      70%+ of all divorces,are filed by the Wife…..it’s all a matter of financial income. I.e.:
      [Article: March/April/May 2016]
      “Why Is Marriage Thriving Among (and Only Among) the Affluent?”
      Excerpt:
      ‘…but the seeming decline of marriage includes one major caveat: educated elites. When it comes to marriage, divorce, and single motherhood, the 1950s never ended for college-educated Americans, and for college-educated women in particular. According to the researchers Shelly Lundberg, of the University of California, Santa Barbara, and Robert Pollak, of Washington University in St. Louis…’
      “What do women want?”
      – Nikola Tesla

  • The Ghost says:

    I have to ask why do women get married at all if they dislike men so much? And what benefits does the modern woman offer a man to want to take on marriage with the media and women telling us what Neanderthals men are. All my life since I can remember I’ve been told how bad, useless and how stupid myself and other males are by my own mother, aunts, girls, female teachers, feminist women and the rad-fems, who wish to cull males down to 10% of the world’s population, the mainstream media, politicians, advertisements that depict men as worthless, bumbling buffoons etc., and that all males are abusive, violent, sexual deviants, unintelligent, brutes and pigs etc…. and that women are so good and that all women are victims of oppressive males. That really builds a male’s self esteem, doesn’t it? Women are not allowed to have anything negative said about them if you don’t want to be vilified and hated by today’s society.

    My mother told me to always stand up for girls and women on public transport because they may not feel too well because females feel pain and sickness sometimes and they really need to sit down.

    I knew nothing about women’s periods at that time. When I was 15 wearing my school uniform, I got on a bus home and got a seat. I started to stand up and offer my seat to a well groomed, young twenties-looking woman who got on at the next stop as there were no more seats left. She physically assaulted me by pushing me back down quite hard and I banged my head on a metal support, and then she just yelled and yelled at me, swearing very badly, stating among other things that I was a typical male pig who thought that I was superior to her. She said some pretty awful things to me in front of everyone on the bus. I was just 15 ! I was shaking, feeling sick and feeling really worried, humiliated and embarrassed. I had no idea what I had done that was so wrong! Of course I could not defend myself against her as boys/men aren’t allowed to physically resist her physical assaults.

    There is no way I would get married or even ask a girl out because I don’t want anyone to hate me or cause someone to feel upset and resent me so much, like that time on the bus and what other females have said about my perceived male faults.

    I just want a peaceful life where no-one can get angry with me. I don’t want to live my life feeling guilty because I upset some female for some unknown reason, when I would never deliberately do so, nor would I try to hurt anyone — ever.

    Once I thought I would have liked to marry and have children, but I’m sure that no girl/woman would think any normal man is good enough for them these days. I would have to live life walking on egg-shells all the time, constantly worried that I was upsetting my wife and have her totally resent me – and then lose everything I worked so hard for, only to “legally” lose nearly all my assets, that I acquired by myself, in a divorce settlement to a wife, because I didn’t know how to tick the right boxes for her, and I would be emotionally devastated and financially ruined for what would be left of my life.

    With the very high divorce rates and the large 70% majority of divorces being initiated by wives, it is like playing Russian roulette with 5 bullets in a 6 chambered instead of one bullet.
    And what do women bring to the table these days for men except possible heartbreak and financial ruin?

    I worked very hard in mining and on oil rigs for a few years and even though I am still in my twenties I’ve been able to buy and own outright a small, inexpensive, very neat and cosy log cabin right on the edge of a large lake with 38 acres of good farming land, in the mountain highlands.
    I am completely and totally self-sufficient and off the grid. I have only two older men as neighbours, one lives about 3 miles from me and the other about 5 miles away and I rarely see them. I live in solitude except for my beautiful, very loyal, loving, long-haired German Shepherd male that I purchased from a litter of a well known champion dog breeders who offered complete obedience training to my dog and me.. I have no anxiety and I feel peaceful and content.

    So no female will ever now have to put up with me or resent me as a husband, or as a male. Many, many other young males feel like me, feel that society no longer wants, likes or needs us.

  • Christian Malone says:

    Articly #6893459867304586703485769456 from a toxic woman, complainging
    about how it’s males fault, when men chose to not slave for women and
    how it all has nothing to do with that toxicity and parasitism of women.
    lol ^^ cuuuuuuuuute:3 #Femtears 😀

  • Mark says:

    “What security is there for men in marriage? If I cheat on my wife, she
    gets half my s**t. If she cheats on me, she still gets half my s**t. Why
    the f*** should i get married”

    Let’s see….Women have sex with you until you get married then start to cut it off. And I’m supposed to get married?

    Women get half the shit I worked for in the event of a divorce. No thanks.

    Women get the kids in the event of a divorce and I become a human wallet. No thanks (so really it’s much more than half).

    If women don’t get their way then like a spoiled brat they can just call 911 and have the husband arrested (government is their real daddy/husband) for almost anything they wish (and often times they just make it up). No thanks.

    They have all the power and little responsibility. What does that make me? The slave. A wallet. A utility. No thanks.

    Any guy that gets married today is a sub-boy masochist, ignorant or just a plain idiot. You’re really gambling with everything you ever worked for, reputation and maybe even your life.

    • BlueLanternMonk says:

      A good list. You left out “real man”,though. That’s the honey,we fight the bee for! (Or not) Marriage is dangerous,but cohabitation is too! Palimony exists for just this reason. Sprinkle in a little unpunished false accusation and voila! A recipe for disaster.

  • StarsCollide says:

    I admire women who still takes good care of themselves even after getting married and having kids.

    • BlueLanternMonk says:

      I admire men and women,who take care of themselves,with or without being married. It’s literally the right thing to do! I agree with you. Growing overweight is a primary cause,of the “sexless marriage” or so I hear. I like doing “Planks” and other body weight exercises. What’d you do to stay chiseled?
      “No man has the right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training. It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.” -Socrates

      • StarsCollide says:

        Oh yes! Men AND women need to take care of themselves.
        I eat healthy and workout.

        • BlueLanternMonk says:

          Yeah,my diet is a little slack handed. I’m working on increasing my fruit and vegetable intake. Right now I’m on a “see food diet” and I exercise like hotcakes,to stay solid. I can’t get pregnant,but I know that a woman would need approximately 1.5 times her normal caloric intake,for the needs of the child. Any more than that and the decreased activity level while being pregnant,would result in unwanted weight gain. Plus “dad bod”,is overrated,so I’ve heard.

          • StarsCollide says:

            Yes i have heard about Dad bod. People name stuff like it is a new thing when it isn’t. How about “Mom bod”?

            I like “see food diet” too but in moderation. I always eat my fruits in morning that way I give my body the nutrition it needs. There is always a juicer; it would be easy to get the vitamins and minerals from a fruit and vegetable. Take it with you to the gym!

            wow! How many hours do you workout?

            • BlueLanternMonk says:

              Juice is the best! I’m staying up late. Is it almost tomorrow,where you are? I work out for zero hours,unless I’m playing,then it “doesn’t count”. Taking the juicier?! Do you have a sweet car charger for that?

      • StarsCollide says:

        Great quote!!! It is a shame to grow old without knowing our body. Some people are shut down, and it saddens me.

        …and I want to do something different this year for me!

        • BlueLanternMonk says:

          It’s easy to stay or get fit. The secret is to make it obscenely easy. Planks (side,reverse & standard) beat sit ups and crunches,all day. Jumping rope is more efficient than jogging etc. To me going to the gym is pure humor! What do you have planned,to do differently,this year?

          • StarsCollide says:

            You do them everyday? That is a lot of dedication and hardwork!
            I like to workout at home and follow exercises on Youtube. I’m still thinking about what it is I am going to do differently for this year.

            • BlueLanternMonk says:

              ….it’s like fun. The more we have,the more we want. Also,I’m going on old and I’m still getting looks,so it can’t be hurting. If your at a loss for good ideas,as to a dynamic improvement this year,I hear lottery tickets are in season.

              • StarsCollide says:

                You have a sense of humor.

                • BlueLanternMonk says:

                  Thank you. This may be the least serious internet conversation,that I’ve ever had!
                  Fembot: Bender, honey, we love you.
                  Bender: Shut up baby,I know it!

                • StarsCollide says:

                  I can see you like Futurama.

                • BlueLanternMonk says:

                  Who doesn’t?! Okay now you try. Throw in a semi-relevant quote,idiom,song lyric etc.,for effect. It’s kinda funny……

                • StarsCollide says:

                  I do not know anyone who doesn’t like Futurama. I need to watch Season 1-7.

                  Mr. Meeseeks: (2 quotes)
                  Meeseeks don’t usually have to exist for this long. It’s gettin’ weeeiiird…
                  Meeseeks were not born into this world fumbling for meaning, Jerry!

                • BlueLanternMonk says:

                  Haha! Nice. Told ya’ it’s fun!
                  “He was born with a gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad.” -Rafael Sabatini

            • BlueLanternMonk says:

              “How To Get A 6-PACK – Build An Athletic Core” (YouTube video)
              Have fun out there!

              • StarsCollide says:

                That sounds like body building.

                • BlueLanternMonk says:

                  Sounds can be are deceiving. Body building is a waste of time. The muscles they build are often not stretched out properly,thus are filled with air,break down quickly,turn to fat and are injured easily. Check the videos out. I only advise you to use what I do,so I can assure it’s effectiveness.
                  “Defeat is a state of mind; no one is ever defeated until defeat has been accepted as a reality.” -Bruce Lee

                • StarsCollide says:

                  Muscles must be used everyday, including the mind. We do not want to see it waste away.

                • BlueLanternMonk says:

                  That’s correct,however your previous comment alluded to an important detail,that I omitted. One must rest and regenerate,so “every day” should be “almost every day”!
                  This is one of my morning warm up sets:
                  “Do These 5 Exercises Every Morning – 5 Minute” (YouTube)
                  This video will cover post exercise stretching: “Parkour Warm Up and Stretch” – Natalie Strasser” (YouTube)
                  Always use the following order,for safety and efficiency:
                  Warm-up,Exercise,Cool Down. This will ensure you don’t bulk up or get injured as easily or at best never. I played football for years and was one of very few people to remain uninjured.
                  P.S. what’s your take on women being drafted? I saw an article about it,but didn’t comment,because men have been open to the draft for hundreds of years and women are just now “considering it”. The empty gesture seems like hollow placating,at this point,especially because it’s more likely that we’ll never need another draft,due to increased technological advances. What do you think?

                • StarsCollide says:

                  Thank you. The last move (Kung fu stretch exercise) is something I look forward to.

                  Awesome you played football for years.

                  You want to know what I think? They say it shows equality. They see it as an opportunity for women to prove themselves that we can also do what men do. Some think it is discriminating women just because we are “helpless” staying at home while taking care of the house and children. I absolutely do not agree on this. Men and women are physically different but are strong in their own ways. How young are they to be sent out? In the midst of war? Women are nurturers; Men are the hunters and protectors. But again, I cannot judge other women who are in favor to sign up because there are women who were part in a military, and it is admirable.

                • BlueLanternMonk says:

                  I agree,for the most part. I suspect no women would be in favor of mandatory draft registry,in exchange for the right to vote,when they already control the entire government,with the free and easy privilege of voting,without the prospect of dying in war. I.e.: I vote republican only because I signed up for the draft registry. Some woman will vote democrat,having never risked anything.
                  Women are risk averse,while men take risks. This is in our nature. My issue is that princess can tell me what to do by proxy of the government,without getting her hands dirty,in the event that her terrible voting strategies,end in war,poverty or both. Men already pay 70% of the taxes and women get 70% of the benefits,men have the vast majority of workplace deaths while women have affirmative action,to keep them in a safe,air conditioned environment. Males are the workhorse,females are the riders,in short.
                  It’s all a joke and the punchline is on men.
                  The super late draft registry won’t cover the betrayal we men experience every day.
                  “If it is to your advantage, make a forward move; if not, stay where you are.”
                  -Sun Tzu
                  [Art of War Chapter 12.19]

                • StarsCollide says:

                  That explains the video (stretching exercise) you shared on Youtube. I know a few Chinese, but they do not practice these martial arts.

                  “This super late draft registry won’t cover the betrayal we men experience every day.” — It bothers me why would they consider adding women on the list.

                • BlueLanternMonk says:

                  Okay,so I was being a little rough,with you. My comment was even semi-accusatory,but you handled it well!
                  ….”It bothers me why would they consider adding women on the list.” -You……The more brave or courageous the man,the more masculine he is. The more risk averse or cautious the woman,the more feminine she is. This is natural and good,however both should be tempered with one another’s strengths. Men get to many “Darwin Awards” and women don’t vote right,for instance. Men have a Justice based Morality and women have a Caring based Morality. I’m upset that the laws and economy are set against me and you may or may not be upset that marriage itself is being abandoned. I can empirically evidence all claims made in this comment,if you please.
                  I didn’t share the best information I have on the subject of physical activity. My youngest brother me introduced me to the proper way to breathe,while he was still an infant. I.e.:
                  “Abdominal Breathing” (by Zoyayoga on YouTube) Babies are smart like that!
                  ……I just want my legal protection,but in lieu of this,I’ve given up entirely.
                  “Better a patient person than a warrior,one with self-control than one who takes a city.”
                  -Proverbs 16.32

                • StarsCollide says:

                  That’s kind of sad, doesn’t it?

                  Abdominal breathing is the proper way to breathe to circulate the energy in the body. When done properly, it can lead to plenty of benefits! Breathing is what makes us live in the present moment after all the thinking of what was present and what lies in the future. I heard/read about it for a while now. And it will take practice since we get used to shallow breathing. You learn and understand more about myself. The best place to practice is out in nature.

                • BlueLanternMonk says:

                  It’s totally gonna be warm today! I’ve been working on living in the moment and being more aware of myself. Sometimes it’s better to leg go of the prospects and plans for the future,in exchange for possession of the present. I like your attitude,it comes from caring and seems equitable and just. The subject of marriage is important to me,more so than sex,dating or child rearing,so yes “it” being the current sate of affairs,is very sad. These problems are why I’m not in the relationship discussion portion of this site,saying “love does exist”! and “There’s hope for us all!” Etc.,instead I put myself into the “not relationships section”…..this feels unnatural,but I know what I’m up against!
                  I may even know how to countervaile the damage already done. I believe there’s a system that will allow for relative equality between the sexes. I.e.:
                  “How Complementarian is the Bible” (on YouTube) ….this system works regardless of religious beliefs,in that Equality Before the Law and Equality of Opportunity are reinforced by the dynamics contained therein. As for the matters of inequality men and women are discussing,I say that “Equality of Outcomes” is the real problem. I.e. “Regarding Equality” (by TFM on YouTube) We have a female voting majority. They decide what’s up! Several biological and psychological drivers are at play in both men and women’s voting,public policy,education and everywhere else. Our brains are wired differently,among many others. One major issue for males is brought on by “female own group preference” (“Women are Wonderful Effect”-Wikipedia),namely the state,culture and schools are being weaponized against us. We didn’t start it,but we’ll finish it. The Suffrages got the vote,before non-land-owing men. That’s not oppression,it’s special privilege. Were they heroines? Hardly!

                • StarsCollide says:

                  Thank you for the compliment.

                • StarsCollide says:

                  I cannot comment much on anything else. It feels personal. I did not notice you weren’t in the relationship section on this site.

                • BlueLanternMonk says:

                  Fair enough. Communication with women is a waste of time. You all say the same things,for the same reasons. Even the occasional partial exception only proves the rule.

  • Ralph says:

    Ok well not all are the same.. I for example would love to marry, have kids and a wonderful family.. But I can understand that many other men either aren’t ready because they’re scared or they don’t want to because they thinks it’s “grounding” them which is completely stupid if you ask me..

  • disqus_vG0AOlzetF says:

    If men and women see each other as the enemy we have a serious problem. People need to grow up. Drop the ego.

    • zocli michael says:

      go tell this to the government that don’t want to create fair divorce law

    • Insidious Sid says:

      Feminism is the enemy. Entitlement, individualism, materialism and greed is the enemy. Instant gratification, smart-phones and over-exposure to a constant stream of media and communications is the enemy. Because society is made up of all these things, society is the enemy.

      I don’t need to grow up. I’ve done that, and now I’m looking down on all of this.

      It’s society that has some serious growing up to do.

  • Sam2 says:

    Because I can get everything outside of marriage that I could get in a marriage. Not being married means that the women are cheaper, easier to get ride of, and I don’t have to put up with as much nonsense. Oh and I can keep my options open.

  • Luke says:

    Your ways of thinking are the right ways, am I right? Instead of having sex, a “real man” will want to make love, right? I was raised on this horseshit. It never made me any happier. That’s not how my MALE MIND is wired. If you can’t love, respect, tolerate or even just ACCEPT maleness for what it is, you can’t really love and honor your male partner.

  • Luke says:

    Once again, this was a beautiful article. Thank you for continually expressing so much love for men in general in your articles.

    I want to share something I read in a related feminist-relationship article. This girl left a comment about having to share duties with her husband. She gets migraines. That’s why she says it sucks that she has to wake up to feed her baby… even though, she refuses to bottle-feed her baby. It’s like HONESTLY? It sucks that you have to be the one to feed your baby when you’re the one with the biological equipment necessary?? That self-absorbed irresponsible comment made me sick. That’s where we’re at. These feminists have more love for the sisterhood than their own family.

  • Unreal says:

    “their women are more fulfilled taking care of their kids than they are taking care of their men.”

    The difference? Kids can’t take of themselves.

    • Tanya Rachel Wieczorek says:

      The point isn’t who can take care of themselves vs who can’t.. the point is how fulfilled a woman feels taking care of each.

      I don’t even have kids and yet I understand the point Renee is making here.

      • Unreal says:

        It’s because you don’t have kids yet that you don’t understand. Fail.

        • Jim Johnson says:

          With six kids, I can say my wife is number one priority (my wife would say the same for me). If you prioritize taking care of your marriage, including date nights, strict bed times (so you have alone time with your spouse), a bedroom lock, etc….. You will have far happier kids than those who have squabbling parents who are their servants.

          • Unreal says:

            Yeah…of course your wife is their primary caregiver though right? See the irony?

          • Unreal says:

            Let me add that my OP was not about prioritizing your spouse or marriage. That’s a given. It was my objection to the idea that something is wrong with a woman who is not “more fulfilled” by taking care of her husband than her children.

            First off, if you see taking care of your husband and your children as similar tasks, you’re not his wife, you’re his replacement mother.

            Second, I think we both know there are men out there (as evidenced by a few of the comments here) who see marriage as a chance to acquire a new mommy, who harbor jealousy towards their children for getting more of mom’s attention and who are quick to label their spouses as bad wives for not meeting 100% of their needs 100% of the time, meanwhile when was the last time they gave a second’s thought to her needs? I’m not suggesting you are one of these men at all, but they do tend to find their way to sites like this and the way this article was written seems to encourage their entitlement.

            Lastly, in most families, which member of the family has their needs prioritized is going to vary; it is not a fixed situation. There are times when your spouse’s needs must take a back seat to your kids’ needs and vice versa. If one is incapable of gladly accepting that, they have no right being a parent in the first place. If you need it to be all about you all the time, don’t reproduce (or get married). That’s gender neutral by the way.

            It seems we have lost our ability to create balance in our lives anymore. SMDH

            • Jim Johnson says:

              “if you see taking care of your husband and your children as similar tasks, you’re not his wife, you’re his replacement mother.”

              Sounds like you are the one with the mommy issues. Your husband is not another mouth to feed, he is part of the team (or should be). Teamwork is critical, neglecting the needs of your husband is neglecting the needs of your children to have stability in their parent’s marriage. If you cannot recognize that, you are the one who shouldn’t reproduce. Marriage first.

              • Unreal says:

                “Your husband is not another mouth to feed, he is part of the team (or should be). ”

                Yeah…exactly my point.

                “Neglecting the needs of your husband is neglecting the needs of your children to have stability in their parent’s marriage.”

                Never said otherwise. In fact, I believe I said that there is a fine line between neglecting spouse or kid’s needs and balancing the two. It is not all or nothing.

                You’re not processing what I am actually writing because you’re too busy trying to disagree with me.

  • KawiMan says:

    Married for 18 years once. I will never get married again. Don’t need the drama, moodiness, lies, BS, or expenses in my life. It’s not worth it. When all of the illusions of romance and love is stripped away, all that’s left in a marriage is a financial business contract.

  • The Don Mgtow says:

    ‘The fast-moving modern world that we live in has ensured that women are working longer hours, juggling more responsibilities, and progressively less able to place their men as their top priority’ … NEWS FLASH.. its not the fast-moving modern world thats done this.. its feminism – fact. The feminist movement pushed for women to essentially be able to take on the responsibilities/employment usually handled by men. Think about it.. and I mean really think about it – men have been doing the vast majority of the employment work life for ALOT LONGER than women have been able to.. and since women have been able to their relative happiness has declined and the social dynamics has been thrown into disarray. There are numerous research articles on this all over the web. Don’t blame society for your own mess.. its yours. If men wanted you in the workforce.. don’t you think it would have happened A LONG time ago?

    What about the pure validity of their comments in regards to the heavily gynocentric court and legal system that puts the vast majority of men into an automatic un-equal situation? You make no mention of it whatsoever.. and I at least noticed. This article has comments from men DIRECTLY related to it and doesn’t make a mention of that in the advice for women. Renee, you look at the emotion of the men’s comments (anger, resentment etc) and nothing else – you even show how men really feel and speaking about what’s important to them and you make some valid suggestions.. but its purely from a gynocentric perspective… again NEWS FLASH.. this isn’t really going to work – you are duping your readers n clients selling them snake oil. Men are wising up to a lot of things really quickly… you are not able to ‘trick’ a smart modern man with just the emotional bribery – the situation doesn’t change i.e. getting into marriage is putting him at a lot of real risk.. especially with the divorce rates being what they are – Its literally a coin flip to know if your life is ruined.. both emotionally and financially. 80% of divorces are INSTIGATED by women.. GEE.. I WONDER WHY THEY ARE SO MORE INCLINED TO INSTIGATE A DIROCE!?!?! (with one of the main reasons declared by these women to be ‘Im not happy’.. pfft).

    The other things feminism has pushed for is no-fault divorce. This is a BIG ONE. A no fault divorce system combined with a heavily gynocentric divorce courts n law system?? I WONDER WHAT KIND OF ENVIRONMENT THAT WOULD PRODUCE HEY? Gynocentric nature.. combined with the nature of humans in general (greedy, manipulative etc) is a recipe for disaster as far as men are concerned.

    You literally have to turn back your position of power in societys ‘system’ to re-balance the situation.. but you want your cake and to eat it too – the modern woman wants to pick and choose what feminism has achieved for your gender.. this is proved to me by the fact you didn’t give any advice to your readers… and don’t try the ‘we cant change the way things are’ victim whine.. cos you would be crying foul of a system women created for themselves.

    Men are to blame too.. but in the following way. 1% of the population (politicians and other men in positions of power) have PANDERED to women to get their support and vote and had no issues in selling out men… but remember this.. in reality these people REACT to society to harness the voting n financial support (its easier than creating it).

    Mgtow_4_life.

    • Luke says:

      Since day one, feminism has wanted all women to love and respect the sisterhood more than their own families. You can see that in the newest Suffragette movie.

    • Tanya Rachel Wieczorek says:

      I see your points, but in alot of families or couples, they simply *cannot* live on just one income – the wife must work to make ends meet.

  • Sam2 says:

    Hey ladies I can get all of the same things outside of marriage that I could get if I where to be married. Do you know what the difference between a hooker and a wife is? Hookers get paid up front, wives get paid after the fact when a judge decides how much it was worth.

    • Jessica W says:

      But hookers could carry STDs and never tell you. They also get paid less than a wife would. Would you rather catch an STD that you can’t get rid of or have someone who is willing to be with you for a lifetime? There are still women who want to be with men for a lifetime and not for a season.

      • Sam2 says:

        1st sentence: Women (non hookers) can carry STDs and never tell me, they could also carry a child that isn’t mine and not tell me. 2nd sentence: You miss the broader point of that I was making, that is in both cases I’m paying for companionship and that the higher price attached to marriage isn’t worth it considering the fact that there is nothing that marriage provides me that I cant get outside of marriage. That includes lifetime companionship. 3rd sentence: I’m not in the business of rolling dice or finding a needle in a haystack.

        • Jessica W says:

          That’s true. All you have to do is observe who you’re with to determine whether they will be there for a lifetime or a season. But hey, people choose to be alone while others find love. Diferent strokes for different folks.

          • Sam2 says:

            You’re correct but the premise of the article is why men don’t want to marry, and my original comment was my opinion as why that is the case for this man.

            • Jessica W says:

              Absolutely. To be honest, both men and women have destroyed marriage. Until both sexes realize that and work together to fix it, there will always be a battle between those who want to get married and those who don’t.

              • Sam2 says:

                At least you recognize that there are problems. Quite honestly I don’t find it all that important to fix a problem that I had no hand in creating. I’ll just avoid getting involved with that nonsense, not just because it’s not something that interests me, but also because I’m really not interested in feeding a system that is clearly rigged against me.

  • VetteMan says:

    Why would men want to marry?

  • Adam Mandel says:

    As a man, I can’t tell you how much hostility I have experienced in the working world from women. It’s depressing and I don’t know where it comes from. I honestly believe that men just don’t know how to connect with today’s women. Beaten down for years, not even understanding why. Men are so demonized by our pro-feminist medía, Hollywood, criminal justice system, pop culture, college campuses, etc. that they have been somewhat neutered. Men have simply had enough….

    • Luke says:

      I recently made the comparison of modern men with the segregation of black people in the 1950s. They’re too ignorant to treat us any more than potential criminals and violators. Look at the special trains and buses specifically designated for women if you don’t believe me.

      • Unreal says:

        And isn’t it ironic that the system white men set up to emasculate black and Native American men and destroy black and native families is turning on its master with the same results — emasculated white men and dmanaged white families. Only now it’s a crisis because its victims are white and “feminists” are the new boogeyman.

        Of course you never intended to include men of color of your moniker of “modern men” anyway. Some things never change.

  • Vana says:

    How about men who don’t want to marry want to be free to run around and ruin the women that want to get married causing even more damaged women for other men to deal with. If you don’t want to get married, then leave women alone. Stay by yourself! Hire a hooker!

  • Olsen says:

    Why spend money and time on a woman who can just divorce and take it all? No thanks.

  • Screw_Globalism says:

    ” In the meantime, their man gets/feels neglected. Even more important – most women just have no idea how men work. They do not understand them, and most of them DO NOT want to understand them; they’re too busy attending to their other tasks or priorities – in other words,THEMSELVES.

    However, just as you want to be understood; so does your man! It’s important to not be a man-hater, or a man-basher and stop putting everything down to “Men just want sex” ” ”
    Renee…brilliantly written !! The truth is most women give off a very hostile vibe nowadays & look down on men as beneath them, I have also had the misfortune to work with man hating women , there are lots of them !! Not entirely the fault of women as the ” media ” bashes men relentlessly , women , being more emotional thinkers are more prone to being affected by this propaganda. Post divorce I have opted to remain single as I realise most women don’t need or want a man anymore , so why even bother dating ??

  • Screw_Globalism says:

    ” Get fit, eat well. Also, just because you have had a child does not mean it’s ok to be overweight, depressed or “old” or no fun anymore.” Thank you Renee !!! This is why I have ended my marriage & have vowed to remain permanently single post divorce , mainly so I can give my children my full attention , I’ve learned too that relationships are not for me , I prefer my own company anyway.

  • mike says:

    I think your on the right page rrenew.Men want to know they can trust the woman they are with loves them for them,not the money or what they can get from them.they want to know they will be there when they are down depressed in between jobs or stressed .they want to know that woman will always love them and wont quit when life throws them curve balls.we all have things that happen to us women and men,I think we both want the same reassurance that our partner will be there for us. It makes me wonder what we feel in love with,the nice body,the financial security,the sex what about the friendship,companship and the heart yes we men want those things to most are afraid to admit it,its the trust thing again. Hope this helps.

    • Jessica W says:

      They weren’t woman enough for you. They were just a season anyway. Don’t give up on love. A real woman will come in due time. Just keep dong well.

      • mike says:

        I think your right there Jessica thanks wouldn’t be great if men and women would step up to the plate take on what the worlds throws at them together instead of one of them running looking for the next best thing

        • Jessica W says:

          Absolutely. Too bad people don’t think like we do.

        • Luke says:

          While they are constantly trying to find the next best thing, men and women only seem to be able to compete with each other. I don’t want to be with someone that I’m competing with. I want to be with someone who will help me achieve my goals as I help her achieve her goals.

      • Luke says:

        I’ve heard that kind of encouragement all my life, Jessica. Until modern women remember that nature oppresses women more than any man ever could, until women can find blind love and respect for men again, no one will be fully happy.

        • Jessica W says:

          I have. I’m married to a wonderful man. It takes two to make it sweet and two to make it go bad. You get what you put in to your marriage. If no one puts in, no one gets anything.

          • Luke says:

            I wish I knew, Jessica. I’d like to think that I’m a good guy. I’m just not what modern women want. I’m old-fashion but I’m constantly trying not to be old-fashion in any kind of bad way. I don’t want to control my partner… unless its under the right circumstances and that’s something she desires. But, I want to be happy. I have my needs just as she does. I’m constantly willing to compromise or to put it a better way, negotiate so that we’re both happy. BUT, Jessica, most of these women in the dating world are not willing to negotiate or compromise. Everything and I mean, everything has to be their way or the highway. I’m getting tired of being the only giver in the relationship. Instead of allowing myself to become bitter and take my bitterness out on someone new, I’d rather just throw in the towel.

            • Jessica W says:

              Don’t let that bitterness keep you from wanting a relationship. Some people come in your life for a lifetime; the majority come for a season. You deserve happiness too. If a woman will not compromise or negotiate on some things, move on. You seem like a great guy. If you throw in the towel, the bitterness demon wins.

        • Jessica W says:

          To be honest, if both men and women would stop fighting against each other, show respect towards each other, and work together, people will be happy. You will mess up when you mix seasonal people with lifetime expectations. In other words, people need to stop acting like they’re seasonal if they want a lifetime with someone.

        • BlueLanternMonk says:

          “MGTOW: 008_Understanding & Predicting Female Behavior” (YouTube)

      • BlueLanternMonk says:

        “Women are Wonderful Effect”- (Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) excerpt:
        “…Experiments 2 and 3 found Pro-Female Bias to the extent that participants automatically favored their mothers over their fathers or….”

        • Jessica W says:

          I’m a daddy’s girl. Sorry to burst your bubble.

          • BlueLanternMonk says:

            Pardon me,I neglected to oversimplify. Women are the root and source of Sexism! (See: Female In Group Bias from aforementioned Wikipedia) ….I’m not sure what you’re reasoning is,but I’m glad you have your dad’s back. Hopefully it’s not because he’s the one with the money,as it is for some. My mother wasn’t around,so I totally get it. P.S. muh bubble remains intact. (See: female=sexiest)….Just sayin’….

            • Jessica W says:

              It’s definitely not a money thing. He made me realize that there are good men out here as well as buttheads. I’m sorry your mother wasn’t around. I butted heads with my mother. I still do but it’s not as bad as it was when I was younger. My parents both taught me how to be strong and independent. I’m just closer to my dad than I am with my mother. Just keeping it 100.

              • BlueLanternMonk says:

                I’m glad to hear that! Remember the female In Group Bias I mentioned? You’re controlling it in your relationship with your dad,but it’s still there pertaining to other men and all women. I’m not upset with this biological reality,but rather the nurture it receives. Marriage rates are tanking,(proven)false (sexual & DV) claims by women are going Unpunished,because punishing them would “deter real victims,from coming forward” or so policy makers and judges say. The female Voting majority is destroying men wholesale and there is no end in sight! The bias and majority I referenced are running amuck. I.e.:
                “Female Teachers Give Male Pupils Lower Marks, Claims Study”
                (Article m.huffpost.)
                …….these are part of the reason I’ve given up on marriage and avoid women,in general. …What’s your take on it? P.S. It’s good to hear that some ladies are still trying to do the right thing. AKA: not giving in to inherit bias.

                • Jessica W says:

                  Honestly, society as a whole has become downright ridiculous. I hate seeing men and women being destroyed because other people wanted to act a fool. I’m sick and tired of people playing the blame game, spreading negativity about marriage, inequality between the sexes, and man-made laws. It’s little boys and girls who do stupid stuff that make it bad for the real men and women.

                • BlueLanternMonk says:

                  Too,true! I encourage everyone to wo/man-up and control themselves,by taking responsibility for their (my) own actions. I’m (somewhat) surprised at your levels of Moby and honesty concerning this!The didivorce rates I brought up are 70% woman initiated and everyone I’ve spoken with (male and female) say it’s the man’s fault,without exception,so far. The truth is I’m super nervous about saying yes to the ladies who ask me out,because of “yes means yes” laws,aforementioned (lack of) legal accountability,statistical likelihood of marriage failure etc. I’d like to share something highly personal and shocking with you. I was seed-jacked by a woman while I slept,some ten years ago. (My first and last time drinking wine and I was in my room alone with the door locked,but that didn’t help.)
                  She “got pregnant” directly after that. She doesn’t know that I know,because I haven’t pursued the case,due to the legal precedents being horrible one sided against men and the risk of alerting her and destroying myself with back child support and/or jail time for whatever lie She may employ,to stay out of trouble. A lawyer even advised me against it and said: “it’s best to just let it go,even though it hurts”. Now I’m scared of even trying to start a relationship,for these reasons and the fact that she could wake up poor tomorrow and decide to annihilate me,for the money. Much less if the lady I would hypothetically start a relationship with,decided to drop the hammer,as I’d be utterly powerless to defend myself. So now I’m just an angry 30 year-old virgin,if inexperienced sex doesn’t count. I’ve made a commitment to wait until marriage,only to find out that I’m a sitting duck,with a target on his back. Thanks for talking to me about it. Friends,family, psychologists……I haven’t been able to talk to anyone about this,because they don’t want to hear the paranoia of an angry misogynist,so to speak. I hope I’m not over sharing (I know right?!),as you seem to “care” more than anyoneelse iI’ve bothered to tell,always being careful not to blowmmy cover,due to being my one and only defense. Really,thank you! Whichever way it goes I hope God blesses you in your endeavors!

                • Jessica W says:

                  That’s messed up BLM. Believe me, I see how one-sided the law is. Right now, this is just an eclipse. There is still light at the end. This is your season and journey to get up from being paralyzed from relationships past. Don’t ever be ashamed of anything bad that you went through. You can use it as a stepping stone and turn it into a positive testimony. Don’t let this turn you into something that you hate and are not. As long as you have life within you, continue to be positive and let nothing stand in your way. Just remember, some people come in your life for a lifetime; the majority come for a season. Just because people want to do messed-up things and live by messed-up ways doesn’t mean you have to. God bless you and a big hug for you!!

                • BlueLanternMonk says:

                  FYI I haven’t had any relationships. My mom abandoned me and I was raped.I didn’t even get to experience the sex,so neither count toward a “relationship”,of any sort. I appreciate your kindness and compassion,but it’s too dangerous for me to start anything with a woman and I’m so rage filled,that I can barely restrain myself. I know you can only give the advice everyone gives,namely “try to get over it,then throw yourself into the meat grinder of romantic relationships”. This will never change,but I’m glad to have been able to talk about to someone. I wish you,your husband and your family prosperity and joy,as they’d be will placed in you and them.
                  Good night and sweet dreams!

                • Jessica W says:

                  The one thing that we fail to do is forgive those who have done wrong to us. People think that holding a grudge will heal them when the people who did them wrong are still sleeping at night. When people forgive those who have hurt them, they take the power away from the people who have hurt them. Most of all, forgive yourself. Thank you for sharing your story with me. When I get filled with rage, I go to the gym and pretend that the punching bag is everyone who had done me wrong and keep punching until I get tired. Then I forgive them and feel much better. I wish you the best in everything you do and prosperity.

                • BlueLanternMonk says:

                  I’ll work on forgiving her. It wouldn’t be so difficult if I could find someone to love,but the legal danger…. Some of my “MGTOW” buddies are helping me to break into software development,so I may just make it out of the collapse,in one piece! You’ve helped to dissolve some of my issues,pertaining to women. This comes as a great relief,as I thought none of them were worth the trouble,now I understand better. Emotional healing: in progress…..economic betterment: pending…..
                  Those laws,though! Why me?!’….. I want hugs and kisses too! Anyway you’re a special lady,who actually cares about her mate,making you extremely rare. I’m about to go back to cramming math,so maybe we could talk later….. Thanks for the blessing!
                  “…And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.”
                  -1 Corinthians 13:13

                • Jessica W says:

                  It will take time and patience. You can do it. Just keep God first and He will direct your paths.

                • BlueLanternMonk says:

                  🙂

                • BlueLanternMonk says:

                  Thanks for being cool to me. I have something you should hear: Forget all this gender and relationships noise. There’s an economic collapse on the way. The timeline has accelerated to +/- 10 years. I thought it was closer to 30 years,but I was wrong. I’m at the very,very bottom of earning potential and economic stability,uneducated and off pudding as I am. My situation is completely boned,unless I do a complete 180°…….Please prepare yourself for this!

                • Jessica W says:

                  It’s all happening now. You seem very educated to me. My husband and I are both preparing for this. You can do all things with Christ. For the joy of the Lord is your strength.

                • BlueLanternMonk says:

                  I appreciate the compliment. I’m essentially a broke thug,but maybe I can fix my ship before it sinks. A thing you said yesterday has been on my mind,namely: “Right now, this is just an eclipse…..” you see, I’ve been in a dark place nearly my whole life and now I have this on top of the other stuff,to contend with and I really hope you’re right about it,because if not I’m doomed,in relationships and finances……I guess if my dad hadn’t abused and neglect me half to death,I would have faired better. Instead of going to college I was homeless as a teenager and my latent,severe medical issues (fixable,but neglected) keep me from going to school even today,but I’m scheduled for surgery soon,then it’s time to man up like hotcakes! So much squandered potential,so little time….
                  “Do not grieve, for the joy of the LORD is your strength.”
                  – Nehemiah 8:10
                  It’s kinda funny how you’re super awesome and it makes me want to find my own woman,who’s similar to yourself,but the legal danger is so great……it’s very frustrating! Thanks for the encouragement,I clearly needed it.

                • Jessica W says:

                  You’re welcome. I’m glad to share encouragement with others.

                • BlueLanternMonk says:

                  Yeah! …..I never hit my dad back,because of the Commandment:
                  Honor your father and your mother: that your days may be long on the land which the LORD your God gives you. I hug him and said things like “thanks for being around” etc. The mother part needs some attention……that’s one’s (almost) worse,but bigger problems have been solved,so I’ll try harder. Keep up the great work!
                  Nehemiah (/ˌniːəˈmaɪə/ or /ˌniːhəˈmaɪə/; נְחֶמְיָה, “Jehovah comforts”, long version of the name “Nahum” which also means comforter; Standard Hebrew Nəḥemya, Tiberian Hebrew Nəḥemyāh) is the central figure of the Book of Nehemiah, which describes his work in rebuilding Jerusalem during the Second Temple period.

                • Jessica W says:

                  Unfortunately, I did hit my mother and raised my hand to hit my father. Years later, I went and apologized to both of them. I will honor them no matter what.

                • BlueLanternMonk says:

                  Me,too! I’m going to visit my dad later today. 🙂
                  “…Recognize you, I do. Part of me you are, yes, but power over me you have not. Through patience and training, it is I who control you. Control over me, you have not. My dark side you are, reject you I do.”
                  -Yoda

  • Jessica says:

    That’s the problem with a lot of these relationships and marriages. People don’t give up the I’s for Us and We. A lot of men and women who don’t want to marry will end up old, alone, grumpy and bitter. All anyone can do is pray for them.

  • Ryan Brewer says:

    While this article is ideal sounding,it fails to address female kryptonite…namely Hypergamy and especially Female Sexual Entitlement! Bottom line.. traditional and feminist women both want to stay home and force the protector/provider to foot the bill. The medical industry knows women drop out of the workforce,as some as can. That’s why one male employee will last as long as two female employees,in total hours worked and number of years employed.(see internet) good luck with the traditional relationship model of princess and workhorse. Female breadwinner resent their husbands because of Female Sexual Entitlement. Don’t just take my word for it…MGTOW

    • Jessica says:

      Sorry, I like having my own money to help in the household. These days it takes two to make ends meet. The only way to survive off one salary is to be single. You can’t do that if you’re married, unless either spouse is extremely wealthy. Even then, who wants to suffer not being able to provide for themselves if a spouse decides to hand over the keys and leave? Besides, you don’t marry perfection; you marry potential and help it grow.

      • Luke says:

        That is a nice independent / liberated fantasy. But what if you’re laid off and have the hardest time getting a job… which could obviously happen…? You may actually be dependent on your partner to do most of the work. Why would you feel so threatened by such an idea, you make your partner feel ashamed for taking on the burden of being the sole breadwinner? Does that sound fair or reasonable?? That’s what feminism teaches men and women. They don’t take into account the possibility of the women being jobless and forced to depend on their man. If they do, they certainly don’t help those women better appreciate their partners.

        • Jessica W says:

          Men lose their jobs more than women do. I don’t feel threatened by having to depend on my husband if I lose my job. That’s not an independent/liberal fantasy. That’s why women asked to come in to the workforce because when they were not married, who will support them? No one. The same goes if the husband decides to hand her the keys and leave. She has to have a way to support herself and her children, if any. I look at life on both sides of the coin, not just one.

          • Luke says:

            Another part of this is the fact that women are allowed to have what they want but if a man wants to be the sole breadwinner, he’s not mocked. He’s demonized. The economy should be so – as it was the 1960s – where the man gets paid so much, his wife doesn’t have to go to work if she doesn’t want to. BUT as it is now, both men and women have to work like dogs just to get by and everyone’s happiness suffers for it.

        • Red47 says:

          It also assumes that a wife depending on her husband is a bad thing. It is not.

          • Luke says:

            Exactly. Feminism shames a lot of women, confusing the shit out of them for all the wrong reasons.

            • BlueLanternMonk says:

              Feminism isn’t confusing the poor dears,feminism is female nature politicized! I.e.:
              “House Husbands Just Ain’t Sexy” (onYouTube)
              These shaming campaigns just “make it more socially acceptable,to act on it”,in the mind of the female collective! (FYI)

              • Luke says:

                LOL. It’s true. Feminism seems to highlight all the bad in femininity. That’s what I’m saying. Feminism is only hurting women by inspiring and exposing their ugliness.

                • BlueLanternMonk says:

                  A man after my own heart!
                  “Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you’re a man, you take it.” -Malcolm X

  • Rachel OKelley says:

    this is wonderful advice.

  • Ryan Brewer says:

    Interesting article I’m certain it comes from a place of honesty and feminine prospective. I have an issue with that prospective. Nearly all women want to opt out of working,after having her children and usually work part time/only a few years,before and or after that time. The medical community can attest to this! Who’s left to fill in the workplace gaps created by these women(part time/early exit/SAHM`s)? You guessed it!..single/childfree Women and all men! =Women say provide for me and men say only if “they” start paying me what I’m worth. Aka double the work hours/years as a female counterpart. PS I’m a non traditionalist christian MGTOW,in case anyone was wondering 🙂

  • Rich Hutnik says:

    Why should a woman lose herself just to supposedly make herself more presentable for some unnamed man, who is apparently like everyone else? My take, and this would be for anyone, is become a better person, find your calling in life, and place, and do it, and see who walks with you. Until then, stop obsessing over not having anyone, and in the worst case, you reduce yourself to becoming part of True Forced Loneliness. Just my 2 cents…

  • Viki Samoja says:

    Wow, so much hostility in the comments from both sides, personally i would be willing to go for a marriage with a right woman. but only right woman and no other, i alrady have a test planned for just this eventuallity and i am sorry to say it but 99% of women here would not pass, if i am going to devote myself to a woman heart and soul i must know she will do it too, and still allow me to be a man, a test i have in mind (that i am not divulging btw) would make any leach hit the airlock, and any woman who can’t trust me completely and let me be a man to become so offended that she will leave forever, it is a harsh view but harsh times call for harsh measures, and that is what i consider a core of masculine, to be able to make harsh decisions where weaker people would just go with the flow.

    • Jessica says:

      Nothing wrong with that. Take your time and be patient. Your wife will come in due time, if she passes your tests.

      • Tanya Rachel Wieczorek says:

        I wonder if his “test” is just telling a woman that he’s poor or has major debts that’ll take years to pay off.. If it is true love she won’t mind if he’s poor.. either that or telling her he can’t have kids, then if a woman is planning on bleeding him dry with child support she’ll be outta there..

        • Jessica W says:

          Ain’t no telling about his “test.” It is true love if a woman can live with and love a man no matter if he’s rich or poor. It just a shame that men and women have destroyed marriage for themselves. There’s nothing wrong with not wanting kids. I don’t have any, but my husband has them from previous relationships. I do hope you find that wonderful man who can’t or doesn’t have children.

  • Gmack says:

    Marriage and having children is a financial death sentence for men. Men do not want to become a wage slave to women. and as for feminism , its a mental illness.
    MGTOW FOREVER, FOREVER MGTOW

  • Rocky says:

    For men marriage is risk. No advantages. Am divorced and two of my gf’s have tried to pin me down into marriage. Why? We are not having kids together (middle aged). Its a game where the woman plays along until you are tethered to her financially then the sex, intimacy etc all dry up as she has caught you and no longer has to try. After divorce my ex started working out to get in shape to catch sucker #2 – it worked. Why didn’t she bother while we were married? I’d get home after a long day of physical work with groceries I’d bought on the way home. Would cook dinner and start cleaning the house. Her? She was sooo tired from looking after the kids and maybe doing a laundry! I got to be away from all this work and stress and have fun! I would have traded places in a heartbeat as I love my kids. Mr Disney and feminism ha ve created a herd of entitled princesses.

  • SeriouslySpeaking says:

    Just too many very high maintenance spoiled and selfish women out there nowadays since many of these type of women just Can’t like a guy for himself anymore.

    • Vana says:

      Well I wish i could meet a man who wanted me for me and not because i can give him sex. I wonder where he is.

      • Luke says:

        So, you don’t care about giving him what he wants?? That’s what we read when we see comments like that. It says that you’re too high-minded and “independent” to do something kinky, if that’s something that might turn him on.

      • BlueLanternMonk says:

        I’m avoiding you. Hypergamy doesn’t care.

      • Buddy Zuckerman says:

        You sound like a woman who wants her water dry. Seriously, relationships include sex. If they don’t, its called something other than a relationship.

      • Mark Muffs says:

        Vana I understand avoiding some in which sex is their only priority and nothing else. That is not love on their part. But if you continually deny a man an act of love to who should have it, your prospects are going to be very dim. One reason I avoided marriage is some people like that, view it more as a business than sharing love together as a couple. The “don’t touch me” type wouldn’t get past the first date with me and I think I’m entirely justified.

      • Maverick says:

        How much do you use men for their utility value? Got a man with a six pack and gangsta tattoos that penetrates you really good and pulls your hair? Check. Got a man that comes over and fixes your car? Check. Got a man to cry on his shoulder when you’re having a bad day? Check. Got a man who is really nerdy and comes over to fix your computer? Check. Got a man who enjoys your company (this might not be possible for you) and he always offers to pay for dinner while you pretend to reach for the card in your purse while saying, “oh I can take care of myself? Check. Got a bunch of men who pay taxes so you can be a single mother? Check.

        Maybe you could find that one awesome man if you actually stopped using men as disposable utilities.

  • Insidious Sid says:

    Marriage: Insane risk, man has everything to lose. Women are more demanding and materialistic and difficult to satisfy than ever before. Both men and women are spoiled these days and expect instant gratification everywhere. Women are sexually loose and mistake their ability to hook-up with high quality males (for one night, anyways) for being an actual high quality partner themselves. Ladies: just because you can bed a top guy once in a while does not mean you’re top relationship material… it just means he was horny and you were easy. That’s it. Nothing more.

    • Mark Muffs says:

      My feeling was like that in the 1970s and that hasn’t changed. For those first 5 years after high school, nothing really changed but when the 80s rolled along, we all were past 23 and girls hinted or said they wanted marriage and kids, I made a fast exit. Don’t need that noise.

      • Luke says:

        It’s too bad we can’t have a perpetual 1960s home life. Feminists had to come in in the early 70s and destroy marriage for us. Regardless of what these feminists will tell you, those women wanted to please their men, they felt proud of being wives and mothers to their kids. Not no more.

        • Mark Muffs says:

          Yes if it were like the 1950s & 60s, I would have had a different view of marriage and kids and it would have happened. But by the 1980s it was a no go initially due to the feminism part but what nixed it for good was the government and legislation on how to raise your kids. People going to jail for letting their kids walk home from school or playing alone in the park ?? Not me, no way jose !!!

          • Luke says:

            Social workers have definitely fcked things up for creating and raising our own families. Who are they? Who do they think they are to impose their own desires for our kids? But you can argue that movements like feminism started that trope. People trying to tell you how to live, judging you from the outside without actually knowing you or your situation.

  • rawr says:

    i’m sure a few ears ago i’d have been delighted in seeing an article like this of women wanting to become better women for their men. now i just see shallow attempts to have their cake. whenever a girl is sweet on me i know it’s because she wants something out of me. worse yet is i see in the comments the resounding bs of “there’s also few good men out there to connect with”. the vast majority of men are good by nature. they may not be making 6 figures and have chiseled features but most of them are the kind of people you can depend on when it counts. women on the other hand, you will very rarely find a woman you can say the same about. sure there’s all kinds of women whining in response to posts like this about how they gave their boyfriend everything they had and he ended up dumping her to find someone else, that’s your fault for loving men who aren’t capable of loving you, you do the choosing babe, and you chose exactly as expected of you, very very poorly.

    i’d love to find a good woman because as a man there’s always going to be that part that’s missing for a complete life: the love and companionship of a good woman that i care for. i don’t get my hopes up, i’m no 10/10 and the competition for what few good women are out there is too extreme for the everyman to have a shot with, that’s life.

    i noticed the less i care about women, the more attractive i am to them, go figure. i can’t love anymore because if a woman shows attraction towards me it’s because she’s attracted to emotional unavailability, not me.

    • Jessica says:

      It’ s not just women having bad judgment when it comes to loving the wrong kind of men, men have bad judgment when it comes to loving the wrong kind of women as well. Everyone chooses who they love. Some people come in your life for a lifetime; the majority come for a season. You have to know which is which because you will always mess up mixing seasonal people with lifetime expectations. I’m sorry that you feel that you can’t love because of the nonsense you’ve been through. Forgive them and most of all forgive yourself.

      • WithoutAMaster says:

        Absolute nonsense. Many men I know (including myself) would have enjoyed having a loving, caring, generous woman that kept herself healthy and didn’t do the cluster of behaviors other men here are describing that are typical of so many women out there. It’s not that men have bad judgment, so many of us don’t have much choice in the women that are available and those that are available act as if they are good catches and that we are biased jerks if we decide not to marry them. Where are those “Good women?” Most of women think they are worth the effort and don’t even mutually respect men or care about them at much as men do. They believe they are good women and yet act as if most men are beneath them. Most women after a certain time come with a host of problems, issues, baggage, anger, and other things that make them undesirable and they have largely done it to themselves. And yet they get furious when men don’t want to have to pay the tab for them. Why should we? It’s a loser’s game and we’ve had enough. Singledom has never looked better in our entire history of this culture for men. Women wanted this mess, and sadly, they got it.

        • Jessica says:

          Well, that happens too. I’m not looking at this one-sided. I look at both sides. Who’s to say men don’t act like females too, if not worse.

        • Jessica says:

          I also wanted to add that men and women tend to hold on to grudges against past relationships that hurt them. If they are not going to forgive the person that hurt them, they will still have power over them and can not fully move on with their lives. When you forgive those who have hurt you, you take the power away from them. Speaking for myself, I do not judge anyone until I see their actions, especially men. Of course, I am married to a wonderful man. When you bring baggage into a new relationship, ultimately, it will fall apart. Don’t bring old hurts into a new relationship. It hinders people from moving forward.

          • Easyst17 says:

            I notice a lot of arguments, usually about men, though it is nice seeing someone say that it is on both sides, that amount to ‘men are just bitter from past relationships.’ I am pretty sure the reason people say this is because they want to pretend this reaction is emotional in nature and as such carries less weight. Perhaps others should look at these people not as emotional, but rational realists. If a person consistently has X outcome from a given situation, and when they look out at other people and see that they consistently X outcome from the same situation, it stand to reason that X situation, in this case relationships and marriage, is fundamentally flawed. Avoiding a situation that has a high probability of a devastating outcome is a wise decision.

            • Jessica W says:

              Yes. Doing the same thing and expecting different results is insanity. How dare a person ask for a good man or a good woman and make him or her pay for the mistakes the last man or woman did and haven’t forgiven them.

              • Marc Brown says:

                Every book I ever read, song I ever heard… poem, movie, etc…. told me to respect and protect and do good. Be a man.

                I suffered immensely trying that, failing, thinking I didn’t do it good enough and then trying harder, failing even harder….. continue cycle for many years.

                I guess I’m slower than most, but eventually I said no more- I can’t do this any more. I will never again go out of my way for a woman Unless she goes out of her way for me first and often. And if that never happened then I’m totally good with it.

                Guess what, turns out it’s as simple as that. Stop living the way media and popular culture tells you on how to be a man. Eventually a real women was in my life, treating me fair… more than fair, and she did it consistently. Now I can say without any hesitation or doubt I would do anything for her, never cheat on her, never harm her, always protect her etc….. instead of giving away all of those things up front and getting used by the wrong women….. I just stopped being the easy target society demanded me to be.

                She is not white and she was not raised in this country- I know that explains a lot to most men posting here. However she has been a citizen for over 10 years and works as a nurse. She was married previously and cheated on, but for some reason decided to take a chance with me. I’m very lucky she did. She doesn’t want to get married because of her past experience, but if she did, I would- she has proven to me 100 times over the difference in quality over any of the ‘born in america’ females I have been with previously.

                However, due to the widespread mob mentality of women on social media telling each other they deserve better regardless of how good they have it:

                “what? He only did A thru Y? He’s no good for you!” “You’re telling me, after he did those nine hundred and ninety nine good things he did that one bad thing? You need to leave him.”

                I’m pretty sure the whole world is going in the wrong direction in terms of the opposite sex being able to get along in a healthy manner.

                Hopefully, something happens and the trend reverses, more ridiculous things have happened.

                • BlueLanternMonk says:

                  Good morning Mr. Brown! I like your style! The statement or premise,that you alluded to,namely that “men have treated women poorly,in the past” (loose paraphrasing) ….This is not the case,anymore than with men. The “Women Are Wonderful Effect”,is clouding your judgement. I.e.:
                  [Rudman and Goodwin studies “Women are Wonderful Effect”-Wikipedia: In Group Bias section]
                  Excerpt:
                  “Men and women who automatically perceived men as more threatening or intimidating than women also had pro-female preferences, suggesting that negative male stereotypes can promote greater liking for women.” ….you picked a winner,in “Jessica W.”,as she may be the most solid lady on this entire site! ….you got questions? We got answers!
                  “My instructors in science and technology have taught us about how the brain works. It’s full of electrical impulses. It’s like a computer. If you stimulate one part of the brain with an electrode, it…- They know nothing.”
                  – Lois Lowry [The Giver]

                • Insidious Sid says:

                  Women’s expectations these days aren’t just crazy, they’re f*cking laughable. A to Y is not good enough. 999% is not good enough. They were raised to be SPECIAL SNOWFLAKES that are *inherently entitled* to all best of everything because they are special snowflakes with vaginas. Instead, we have more than one generation of female narcissists and men at a loss of how to please them. The correct answer: you can’t satiate, please or impress a narcissist. Leave them alone to their smart-phones, slagging other people and posting duck-face selfies. Let them have their “life” – they don’t need you in it anyways – at best you’d be an appendage to her already “perfect” Facebook existence.

                • Marc Brown says:

                  InSid- I agree. However I do worry a bit for the future.

                  In 1950 there were a series of very interesting experiments, using mice, that resulted in entire populations going extinct via social behavior changes. Called “the beautiful ones, no matter how many times they conducted the experiment, eventually the mice would stop producing.

                  The reasons for social breakdown may have been different than what we are discussing here, but I can see a very similar outcome.

                  http://www.returnofkings.com/36915/what-humans-can-learn-from-the-mice-utopia-experiment

                • Marc Brown says:

                  Couldn’t agree more, for a large number of women that’s the case. However, I don’t want to exclude all women based on the actions of the majority. I still try to encourage those who still able to think for themselves, and want to be an an actual fair and mutually beneficial relationship.

                • Jessica W says:

                  I’m glad that you found true love. Anything is possible. It doesn’t matter where they come from. Love knows no bounds. Keep doing well.

          • Mark Muffs says:

            At least I can say that’s one thing I’ve never done and that’s disparage those I dated or was in a relationship with in the past. Almost all of them ended due to compatibility issues but I did remain friends with a couple of them.

            • Jessica W says:

              You’re a rare man too. I’m glad that you chose not to let your bad experiences hinder you from wanting true love.

            • Mark Muffs says:

              One I left because she was looking more for a handyman and similarly related than for love. I went with her more out of a soft heart rather than love, so I was just as much at fault. After time passed and I never seemed to get any time to do my own things, it got very strained, though I kept my mouth shut. She was and is still a good person but just not compatible for me.

      • Mark Muffs says:

        I knew such a girl in high school. She particularly went after those guys on the “wrong side of the tracks”. Too bad. In eight years after school ended, she had four such guys and within that time, two were dead, one was sent to prison for life and the last one became a total invalid after an overdose of drugs.

    • Insidious Sid says:

      ‘Not caring’ (lack of empathy for others) is a personality trait of narcissists and psychopaths, 2 of 3 personality types of the “dark triad”. Read up on the dark triad and you’ll know that women are really sexually attracted to the worst men (thugs) of the bunch: the men who will stop at nothing to get what they want. Women are envious of this power, and wish to wield it themselves, and believe that their sexuality can be used as a remote control on monsters like this to allocate that power and the spoils that usually comes with it. But this frequently blows up in women’s faces – thugs don’t love and thugs don’t share. They beat and abuse and manipulate their women and lovers just like they abuse everybody else around them. On the flip side, men raised to be “good/nice/decent guys” are rejected in droves by women who get the magic tingles from primal thugs.

  • TheThinker says:

    Until women are treated as true equals in our divorce courts, men should never ever marry them. Awarding gifts and cash prices to women just because they “earned less” to maintain their way of life after the relationship has ended is absolute crap. As a matter of fact, marriage should default to this: short of clear, provable reasons for divorce, any woman who files for divorce should not receive anything. Not even the couple’s kids, if they have any. Thoughtless divorces are nothing but a deliberate destruction of a man’s family, and no one should receive gifts for doing that.
    It is unfortunate that it has now come to this, where men ask women, “What exactly do you have to offer me?”

    • Jessica says:

      It should work both ways in divorce court. It’s just a shame that men and women have caused so much anger, resentment, and hatred towards each other. Not only men don’t want to get married, women don’t want to get married either. The law is not fair. People are not the same, even when it come to this situation. I’m glad that I don’t have children with my husband. If we ever divorce, I want nothing from him except for him to be out of my life. There was a time when I didn’t want to get married because I witnessed a lot of my family getting married, divorced and remarried. I thought “Damn, if this is how a marriage ends, I don’t want to get married.” Just because other people’s marriages fall apart doesn’t mean yours will too. People don’t realize that you have to work on a marriage. It’s up to both people to stand strong when trouble comes. If they run and hide, it won’t last.

      • Ryan Brewer says:

        I agree with you,for the most part. One thing aside though, the percentage of a Male initiated divorce,is extremely low,compared to the Female initiated counterpart. I’m both single and childless,so I can sort of relate,with the logical part,behind not having a kid.

        • Jessica says:

          Thanks Ryan. Yes, I have seen the divorce initiations on both men and women. It is very discouraging to both sexes not wanting to be married. Of course, my husband has children from previous relationships. Don’t let these other people discourage you if you wish to get married. Just keep doing well and let everyone else be bitter.

          • Ryan Brewer says:

            Deal ! I won’t let other people’s relationships influence me,to be bitter. My earlier response,to you alluded to the fact that statistically speaking, any male is subject to “get got”,at an astonishing rate,compared to,any female. Your guy exemplifies one possible outcome,that I could attain,but even his “best case scenario” outcome,came with pain,for him abd gain,for her.(so I would guess,by the stats) Kids are expensive…how much did it cost him/you,in child support?(retorical) I may be incorrect,male custody does happen very rarely! The worst case scenarios are many and ruinous,so I’ll skip that. One subject I think a traditional women,such as yourself,may be interested in a certain roadblock I’ve come across,which is a major issue for me,that I haven’t mentioned,pertaining to dating/marriage…The “female breadwinner paradox” (House Husbands Ain’t Sexy,by Bar Bar,on YouTube can explain) it’s like this: I’m poor due too various and slowly changing circumstances. I’m basically the exact male equivalent,of an early 1900’s “housewife”. (I.e. undereducated,debt free,poor job prospects,experience with childcare,cooking etc.,so due to a combination of Hypergamy (can’t marry up,to the “floor”) and female sexual entitlement ie:(YouTube again) [“Traditional Relationships…nothing but business and a bottom line”] I’m stuck (until I’m not) in a “S.M.V.” position,that would require a woman to have a very poor view,of herself,to date bellow her league/potential.(because I’m low in the social hierarchy/monitary scale) Or due to the aforementioned female traits+my circumstances,makes for a near certain divorce,either because I’m not good enough,or because I aimed too low,for even my streamlined moderate expectations/desires,for a woman. Even without all the legal stuff I’m ice skating uphill,from a reproductive/sexual prospective. I could have taken the leap,many times,I’ve met “her” several times! I won’t,though…I see what happens,and no amount of NAWALT can dissuade me,I’ve been single my whole life and I’m already accustomed to it. I’m glad you didn’t let you husbands preexisting kids,stop you. I wouldn’t have been so generous! I wanted to ask two ladies I know,today…but I remembered the risk just in time. (Male sex drive is way too overriding,at times) it’s kinda like dodging a bullet,that I’d think I’d like to be hit by! Later then,good talking with you.

            • Jessica says:

              As for child support, Missouri can only take up to half of a person’s income, which I think is ridiculous. At one time, I was bringing home the bacon and he fried it. He admitted to me that he felt less as a man because he couldn’t help me financially at that time. I told him that he will find a job and keep praying and believing. We choose to pray and support each other through the good, the bad andthe ugly. I still find my husband sexy whether he’s working or not. Also, finding a man or woman who doesn’t have children are becoming nonexistent slowly but surely. I will pray for you and hope that your wife finds you and much happiness to you man. This is a great blog. Check out the other articles too. Thanks for writing back and stay positive.

              • Bob Nath says:

                I respect women like you. I am fortunate that my wife thinks the same. She supported me in odd times. We both take care of our family and home not looking into the facts who is doing how much. However, I have seen many families of my friends where their wives are taking undue advantage of their conjugal position and crashed their lives. With the law and justice system favoring women, my friends are just vegetables in their families. Just because I am lucky I cannot advise anyone to get married anymore. I think men should think many times to see if it is really worth to take the risk of marriage or live a secured single life. Truly if men do not want kids, there is absolutely nothing more they can get from marriage.

      • mike says:

        I have to agree with you there,it just seems no body wants to stand with there partner and fight.they just start looking for the next man or women.they believe they will be happier,have more money,better sex and life will be easier,and that could happen for them.but there is fallout,lives ruined,people hurt ,dreams cursed not mention they will never know what god could have done with all those lives.they could also have what they left for fall completely apart life can and does work that way.

        • DarthW says:

          If you’re a guy you will ALWAYS “have more money, better sex, and life will be easier” if you simply stay unmarried. Marriage is for fools.

          • Olsen says:

            I have heard many divorced moms say, “I would only remarry if the guy had a lot of money”. If that is the attitude of women, I will just keep it to myself.

          • Tyler Doe says:

            So true. Because women and men want different things, men’s (money,power,stability) worth goes up as they age. Women’s (beauty) goes down. The longer you hold out, the better life is!!! Don’t be a scared sucker!!!

      • Frank Nizzo says:

        Society (currently a gynocentric pisshole not worth 2 shits ) wants to make men the enemy then society will suffer tremendously for making such a choice. I have no problem treating women as “equals” when its TRUE equality they are seeking (e.g. if a woman hits a man, a man has every right to hit her back in FULL force with no consequence). The more men do not commit to women at all the better for society. Since the stats bear out that women cheat more and are the more adulterous of the sexes, why the f–k would any man with a sense of self-respect and logic waste the time with a modern woman (cum dump slore)? Either DO NOT MARRY PERIOD or commit 100% (both parties) to it.

      • BeingReallyHonest says:

        It is very hard to meet a good woman to marry since most of them are sleeping around so much since many of them just Can’t settle down with just one.

        • Vana says:

          Really, so men don’t sleep around, huh? Well i am a good woman who dont sleep around but i cant get married because men do not want to. However i still wont sleep around.

          • MEME says:

            Yes they do but it’s said to see women follow men’s bad examples.

            • Vana says:

              Well God made men the leaders. Women act better when men demand it. In order for women to change and be better, men must stop being bad examples and change first. You cannot tell a person to stop behaving badly while you reserve that behavior for yourself. They wont take you seriously.

              • MEME says:

                Yes I agree! men need to change for the positive for For young men and women and be good examples.God made men the leaders with his lady by his side. Today women want to change the roles, not all women of course. These struggles have divided us men and women and it sad and lonely

                • Vana says:

                  We want to change the roles because men are slacking. They dont want to date, they dont want to marry. They just want to have fun and chase down every pretty women they see. But what happens when the men get older and looking for someone to take care of them. The hos will leave, they dont want to take care of men. Only the good women men ignored will be left and guess what? The good women will now.ignore you.

                • Don Frampton says:

                  Men don’t want a commitment simply because it does not pay off. Women in America are super bossy. You hear it everyday. “Men are stupid!” “Damn idiot couldn’t tie his shoe without help!” “I make as much/more money than him!” “Who needs a man..we have toys! Feminism is strong and more men are simply having nothing to do with it. Equal rights is not what is happening. The erasing of the male role, butchering and dismemberment is what we are seeing.

                  Then you hear and see the men during and after the divorce. Destroyed! Most of the men end up living poorly. Finances are such that a significant amount of their money is taken from them. Or if the ex-wife was the bread winner, he may still be required to pay towrds their child(ren). Has limited contact with child(ren). If he falls behind even for medical reasons, he may have his driver’s license suspended. May have what money he has in his bank account pulled by the state agency for child services. Homeless and if lucky, will end up placed in jail so he can have a bed and meals.

                  Why would any MAN not want to have this gamble in his future!?

                • Luke says:

                  Exactly. And then, they ask for mutual respect when they’re constantly berating us or questioning us. WTF? Thank feminism for fucking relationships between men and women up by putting women up on high horses and making sure men have nothing to do with it.

                • Say It Aint So says:

                  And Vice versa

              • MEME says:

                You don’t date white guy’s by chance do you?! You do sound like a good women

                • Vana says:

                  I have never dated a White guy.

                • MEME says:

                  Maybe you should try a white man? It seems that Most black men like white women. Why do you think that is Vana?There probably isn’t any difference except for color. I know color doesn’t matter to me. How about you?From your writings you are stuck with black men and not open to white men or any other race. This is changing, I am seeing more and more black women with white men and they both seem happy and don’t care what others think

                • Vana says:

                  Its not most but one out of four black men want white women.. I dont dislike vanilla but most of the time i perfer chocolate. Color and culture separate us. There is also racism from i may suffer from and he will have to hear about whether he is black or white.

                • Daniel Gonzalez says:

                  If you worry about racsim and how your child may identify, then socieity owns you. Lol. I guess that’s the fun part about being multi-racial. I have no need to identify, and will encourage my children to view it as such. Race is trivial, and it doesn’t define who you are. ;P

                • Vana says:

                  Well most black men still date and marry black women, only one out of four black men marry outside their race. When racism has been eradicated, then i will think about dating others. My issue is not with color but with culture.

                • Unreal says:

                  Actually 80 percent of married black men have a black spouse, according to the latest census.

                • Say It Aint So says:

                  Stop being desperate and stay the hell away from our women, white boy.

                • Daniel Gonzalez says:

                  They’re not “your” women. Lol. They are free to choose who they want to be with. White, black, etc. You sound insecure that one of “your” women is likely married to someone who isn’t black. Just as I couldn’t give two shits if a white dude marries a hispanic girl. Their life, not mine. 😛

              • JR says:

                There are all kinds but, in general, it has been more women that have abandoned their God ordained submissive role. However your comments are quite true. I am 42 years married, and I demand the respect I get. No respect, no relationship; it’s called the silent treatment, it is recommended in Scripture and it works.

                • Person says:

                  Wtf do you know about god other than what MAN wrote down in a book back in the days when you could enslave people and frogs supposedly fell from the sky.

          • zocli michael says:

            obviously they cheat. when you are in a society where 80% of women will cheat on you, all you can do is not be serious toward any relationship unless you want to be a cuck. women act and men react.

          • Theo says:

            Men sleep around as well but that’s only because there are so many women who put out. If you girls worked together and said “no” men would be forced to grow up. And it’s not ALL the men that sleep around (I sure as hell don’t). Most girls sleep around with a minority of guys. The brawniest and hottest of the bunch.

            Good men study and work hard thinking it’ll pay off in the end only to realize that we’re being settled for by women who have “gotten it out of their system” in their 20’s and now we’re the ones expected to leave the past in the past.

            I can’t shake the feeling that I’m the sucker in all this.

            • BlueLanternMonk says:

              “Men sleep around as well but that’s only because there are so many women who put out. If you girls worked together and said “no” men would be forced to grow up.” – Theo
              You’re funny! They couldn’t force me to do anything,much less ‘grow up’!

              • Theo says:

                Haha, well obviously they can’t force men to do anything but they have the power of influence… or at least they did.

                Women set the standards and conditions for marriage and for whatever reason the modern woman is demanding more and offering less, while at the same time relinquishing all the power in a relationship… and it’s hurting everyone (except for players and cheaters). If women collectively quit putting out so easily I’m sure there would be plenty of men who’d choose to marry a good woman (who hasn’t slept around) over a life of celibacy.

                • BlueLanternMonk says:

                  Women putting out or not, doesn’t bother me; I’m a thirty year old virgin.
                  I can’t provide for their offspring and hypergamous drives and I don’t trust their judgment, in the face of the mysandric court system; so I choose to abstain, indefinitely. How about you?
                  “As in this world there are degrees of evils, so in this world there are degrees of devils.”
                  – John Webster, The White Devil

                • Theo says:

                  I’m precisely in the same boat as you. I’m 29 and also a virgin, not because I can’t get laid. I have an amazing career, I’m confident, funny and not bad looking, but I have principles. Specifically, I would never have sex with a woman outside of the confines of a loving and committed relationship. The problem is I’m having troubles finding a girl that I’d be willing to commit to. It seems that there are very few people who have morals, values or a code of honor. We’ve become a society of self serving, “freedom without consequence” individuals. I’ve worked hard to get where I am and unfortunately I don’t trust a girl who’s “been around the block” … no body wants to be a sucker and if I can’t find a respectable woman I’d rather be alone.

                • BlueLanternMonk says:

                  I’m poor, a loser if you will. Even so, I won’t fornicate and I can’t afford the Caliber of woman, that can be trusted. Have a good one!
                  http://iheartinspiration.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/dr-seuss-youer.jpg

                • Theo says:

                  I’m sorry to hear of your misfortunes :/ Whether or not either of us ever finds anyone, all I can say is don’t ever rely on anyone else for validation! Find out what makes you happy and stick to that. Yes, life is easier for people with money, but even the poorest of people have something to offer and a girl who values money over an honorable man with the desire to better himself in whatever way he can is not a girl worth having. Best of luck!

                  PS That’s an amazing Dr. Seuss quote!

                • BlueLanternMonk says:

                  ‘Yes, life is easier for people with money, but even the poorest of people have something to offer and a girl es money over an honorable man with the desire to better himself in whatever way he can is not a girl worth having.’ – Theo
                  ….I take this to mean than no woman is worth it…… Even if given a polygraph test, a woman who says that she’ll gladly pay all the bills, even indefinitely; would usually pass. They believe it, before they reach a certain ageor until pregnancy ooccurs. Thus the axiom alpha fux; beta bux. I don’t want to be a bad (see deadbeat dad) father, so I’ve abstained from puberty. Fornication being off the table, from the beginning. Thank you for your advice. Self actualization, is the way to go! http://pm1.narvii.com/5932/3206239c6e76c5606d3f8427e39aca0d67234abd_hq.jpg

                • BlueLanternMonk says:

                  I missed a step, brother. I was cleaning out my emails and I saw this…:
                  I’m 29 and also a virgin, not because I can’t get laid. I have an amazing career…’
                  – Theo
                  …..I Just turn down two 20-25 year old women, because I don’t want sex only and I *can’t afford to get married*…… What is the problem? Are you short or fat? I do planks and such, to keep in shape…. I’ll help in any way I can. I know how to easily loose fat, from doing itfor sports. *Can’t get laid;* is that even a thing?!
                  https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/92/c0/26/92c0260d5a52fec55c777639b52b160c.jpg

            • DeltaPeng says:

              “Men sleep around as well but that’s only because there are so many women who put out.” is a pretty bad excuse for men not to own up to their own actions.

              Yes, life would be less complicated and there’d be less temptation if both men and women were more sexually chaste, but every individual is responsible for their own actions (if they choose to be a player or participate in casual sex or form relationships like ‘friends with benefits’).

              • Theo says:

                I totally agree, men have no excuse and I hold them to the same standards. The problem is that the men who sleep around aren’t victims, they actually benefit from sleeping around so there is no reason for them to change. The women are the ones who pay the price and so its not that the onus is on them to make a stand, but it’s certainly in their best interest.

          • panait ciprian says:

            well, the problem is this: women between 7 and 29 if they are not patologically fat or severely desfigured will have offers for sex constantly and as such sleeping around is easy. Yes men sleep around too, but most do not even get the chance and even if they do they refuse it. Basically is easy to choose a man that will not sleep around but is hard to find such a woman.

            • Vana says:

              With men and their sex drives, I doubt highly that men turn down free sex more than women do. Mater of fact, women handle celibacy much better than men do.

              • panait ciprian says:

                I would not say that women handle celibacy better. On the contrary. Women have way bigger sex drives than men. The difference is they do not have to work for sex until they hit the wall. Also being single is easier for a man usually or it should be if the society would not push them so hard to get married. Women that do not get married usually after they hit the wall they become old cat ladies. About turning down sex when you get offers every 5 minutes (women before they hit the wall) of course it will be easy to turn down free sex. Is simple supply and demand. Before 30ish most women (if they are not morbidly obese or desfigured) have an immense supply of free sex offers . Most men on the other hand hardly have any. So one can understand why it is harder to refuse such offers.

          • Lenny25 says:

            A no-fault left brain hemisphere convince women that they are never at fault and if they are it must be because somebody made them do it therefore take a roll of a 5th grader to refute a legit argument. grow up child. Water seek it’s level. you are probably suffering the Dunning-Kruger Effect: when incompentent people are too incompentent to realise they are incompentent

          • David Madden says:

            how will u ever have experience to ever keep your man from straying to fuck other women if your no good in bed

            • Vana says:

              It doesn’t matter what you do, how good you look, how well you treat him. HE IS STILL GONNA CHEAT. bottom line. So why bother?

              • David Madden says:

                Then you dont know the secret to how to treat him . the key is his ego and his stomach .. looks is great and lots sex , but if u make him the king , and if he needs other women sexually be open to it let him be him .. support him .. and i tell u u will have a guy around your finger – we are such simple creatures … why bother hmmm — i agree there — only bother if u want a relationship and marriage .

                • Vana says:

                  Will he treat her like a Queen and allow her to be herself and if that means being with other men, allow her to do her, be open to it….support her. Would you tolerate that? This sounds real stupid, don’t you think?

                  If you want to screw other women don’t expect king treatment from any woman. Just give that up. King treatment should be given to men loyal to one woman only. Few men out here are that worthy. Just give that up if you want to cheat.

                • David Madden says:

                  sure , a man can treat a women as a queen , but she would have to be bisexual , into polyamory , and open minded sexually to have others , there all fantasies and human needs , these swingers , sure allow a women to do it , but u never marry that women if she gets knocked up by the other guys , as a man we can move on get a new women , but my point is your not satisfying him enough for him to want to commit , relationship and commitment is not worth it , women are expensive . it only is if they treats you as kings ! i do expect king treatment for men are kings , as women are queens . just need to find your match of someone who suits your lifestyle and gets your needs and helps u be more u. i like more women thats me , gf’s i date are open to that we have threesomes all the time . loyalty emotionally is a totally different thing and must be keep to one women. i dont believe in cheating mate , women on survey actually cheat more then men and never tell their bf’s for your information . first hand experience .

            • Vana says:

              What makes you think that? You don’t know me. I haven’t met many single men worth my time and I stay way from the married ones.

        • Jessica W says:

          Men do the same as well. To be honest, both men and women have made marriage a bad deal because of the nonsense they put each other through.

          • zocli michael says:

            i bet you never read eat, pray, and love

          • Lenny25 says:

            Jessica, i don’t expect you to understand the role of a woman in our society but i will fire away anyway. American women’s traditional role is/was defender of morality. whether you agree or not, women rule the dating scene. when women decide to reward good morals every man will become a white knight in a shining armor when women say faq good morals and promote degeneracy and moral bankruptcy every guy is going to want to be a douche in order to get in the sack. get it? Women attitudes however(when they want to settle) towards dating and relationships are attributed to the demands and social etiquettes that the highest valued men want in eligible Bachelorette. this is why even a whore can claim chastity in the presence of a high value male.

            • Jessica W says:

              When you put out nonsense, you get nonsense in return. When you give respect, you get respect. It goes both ways with men and women. Until men and women realize this, the battle on whether or not to get married will continue. I look at this from both sides of the coin, not just one unlike you.

      • ABCXYZ says:

        “It should work both ways in divorce court’ but it is skewed heavily towards Moms to profit layers and Judges. If it were to work both ways than there’d be s split decision = true Equality of Time Sharing with the child(ren) thus child support would also equalize. The system gives Moms a huge incentive to take father to court. Children have no say and if they did they’d want both parents Equally for the most part. “It’s just a shame that men and women have caused so much anger, resentment, and hatred towards each other” how can you say after what I just typed as facts that fathers are causing this inequality?. “Not only men don’t want to get married, women don’t want to get married either” can you blame men for not wanting to risk marriage or common law plus especially not a child? To say women don’t want to marry, this is an “angry” reaction to what men will not risk yet, females ought to admit the Truth of what they and courts are perpetuating. There can be no arguing with these facts. IF the stat of Moms winning 85 to 90% in courts were to be reversed, how would Moms react? The news media would be flooded with this news. “The law is not fair” you said it…it is so corrupt and cruel to fathers and their child(ren) too. “People are not the same, even when it come to this situation” not the same? If you mean the way it use to be for centuries, true. In short, high technologies and government involvement, have taken the NEED that females had for men, practically away entirely. Government has become husband and father to some extent while technologies have opened up tons of non-physical Jobs for females. Many of which are government and a portion unnecessary thus not what the saying calls “real Jobs”. “I’m glad that I don’t have children with my husband” I’m not sure how you can say this because until one has a child, the overwhelming feeling of rearing a child I personally feel, beats having a spouse. “If we ever divorce, I want nothing from him except for him to be out of my life” then you are the exception. “There was a time when I didn’t want to get married because I witnessed a lot of my family getting married, divorced and remarried” and for that same reason, a growing number do not want marriage. “I thought “Damn, if this is how a marriage ends, I don’t want to get married. Just because other people’s marriages fall apart doesn’t mean yours will too.” So you changed your mind. “People don’t realize that you have to work on a marriage” that is exactly what my Grandmother who was a bit of a battle axe said during her marriage of 67 years. “It’s up to both people to stand strong when trouble comes. If they run and hide, it won’t last” a very sound ending sentence to your sharing; it is so true as commitment is essential. One last thing, I believed so strongly in marriage and wanted many children too however, the risks involved with ~ 50 divorce rate with at least 80% initiated by ladies, I can perfectly understand why so many men don’t take the risk…fear is the number one reason along with lacking the funds to date, engagement rings, weddings, etc.

        • Jessica W says:

          I’ve seen that there are women who don’t want to get married nowadays because they think that they will lose their identity and freedom. Like I said, both men women don’t want to get married because of all the nonsense that’s going on now. I’ve learned what to do and not to do in my marriage from my family members who have married, divorced, and remarried. The reason I don’t have children with my husband is because we did not want to bring a child into this jacked-up world. Plus, he has five children from previous relationships.

          • ABCXYZ says:

            “I’ve seen that there are women who don’t want to get married nowadays because they think that they will lose their identity and freedom” true, they are out there…this is why they keep their sir name, want to have the freedom of bar hopping, dating whom they wish to, etc.

            “Like I said, both men women don’t want to get married because of all the nonsense that’s going on now” they are truly on both sides however, the big difference is, females by and large still wish to have at least one baby. Whether it be married or in common law. Males are veering away from children at a faster rate than females because of the high risk factors involved especially when a child is born, associated with a break up.

            “I’ve learned what to do and not to do in my marriage from my family members who have married, divorced, and remarried” I see and understand. We 5 children were suppose to have been among the greatest catches in a town of ~ 10,000 ppl where most everyone knew us yet, we have a 60% divorce rate. So when this happens to a popular socio-economic family, it is no wonder the divorce rate has skyrocketed.

            “The reason I don’t have children with my husband is because we did not want to bring a child into this jacked-up world” hmm…yes however, to me children are the most wonderful life-form on this planet. “Plus, he has five children from previous relationships” oh my wow; I can see why then…that is a heck of an undertaking for you; I could not do what you have accomplished. And, most women would not accept this either, calling it too much “baggage”. Good for you.

      • Bob Nath says:

        Good words. Men definitely like women who think logically and do not cry for favors. Unfortunately there are only a few women left who can think in equal respect.

      • Shari Peterson says:

        Why do people even acknowledge statutory law? If you love someone, be together, you don’t need to involve the state. Then when you split up you figure it out out of necessity and mutual respect.

        After 16 years together that’s what me and my “husband” are doing. No marriage (and no common law in California either). He’s going very cordial through all this as he should, I’ve been supporting him mostly and will until he can do so by himself.

        If we had gotten married he would be as much of an ass right now as most women who get divorced and take the men to the cleaners are. I preempted that by refusing to get married.

        • BlueLanternMonk says:

          You’re still subject to conditional palimony and child support payments, as the feemale breadwinner; although, as a woman; you’re guaranteed to win any court case, so he’s probably a Mexican. Only men are required, by law, to register for Selective Service and only men may be conscripted; subsequently, only men should be able to vote. Only men, as a group, pay net taxes and women are the population and voting majority and the largest legally protected minority class; consequently, women are also the primary beneficiaries of Affirmative Action of Affirmative Action. 70% of American men ages 20-34 aren’t married and women lose 90% of their ovarian eggs by the age of thirty. Girls are more intelligent than boys, not until the girls hit puberty and until the boys begin to hit puberty in a few years; afterward, men are more intelligent than women, which is why we invent virtually everything. Treat your boyfriend well, due, if nothing else; to women being between 52-54% of the American population and men being less numerous. Caucasian men are the only one’s that don’t receive Affirmative Action, so we’re not doing as well as the minority population. Citations upon request. Remember me in the moonlight?
          “You must defeat my Shoryuken to stand a chance!”
          – Ken Masters, Super Street Fighter 4

          • Shari Peterson says:

            I’m not a statutory person so none of the laws apply to me including palimony (or even child support if we would have had kids together). While I won’t argue almost all of your points, the response overall is rather non-sequitor in flavor. Umm thanks? 🙂

            Seriously though, sometimes two people can be in love but they don’t motivate each other. Since I left he finally produced/directed/co-starred his first feature film – I question if it would have happened at all had the flame not been under his feet to want me back.

            • BlueLanternMonk says:

              A man who won’t marry for financial reasons, if nothing else, is a dirtbag among men; however, the same isn’t so with feemales.
              As an aside: what?! …. I’ve been searching free online legal dictionaries, but so far I haven’t found anything for “statutory person” vs “public person”. I assume that a “statutory person” is a person as defined in some statute, though that is self-evident. I do know that “public person” is sometimes referred to in articles dealing with people’s right to privacy. If people are famous, they may not be entitled to the same “expectation of privacy” that an ordinary citizen has. ….
              Good for him; hopefully he realizes that you’re to etcetera for him and gets a youger, more pleasant woman. Now, if you’ll excuse me; I’m about to watch some pornography.
              “Taylor et al. (2000) first proposed the idea of a unique female stress response which they termed “tend-and-befriend.” The tend-and-befriend response is characterized as an oxytocin mediated stress response cascade. There are numerous biochemical and evolutionary explanations for this unique female stress response that would have increased the survival of females and their offspring under conditions of stress and hence increased the chances of subsequent reproduction. Estrogen has been found to increase the effects of oxytocin already in excess in females as compared with males. Testosterone and vasopressin, the counterparts of estrogen and oxytocin, present during the male stress response, “fight-or-flight,” have been found to exhibit the opposite effects of oxytocin.”
              http://www.personalityresearch.org/papers/mccarthy.html

    • Mark Muffs says:

      Never married, never will and this is the #1 reason. Plus I never wanted kids. Childfree means freedom.

      • Tyler Doe says:

        Me either. I never wanted any of that and knew it was a bad bet. And now after watching all my friends take the plunge and end up miserable….I know I was right. I feel like I won the lottery! Remember “women can have it all?” Men can too, without marriage. My best friend just announced he is having twins with his wife that he hates. The kids will be popping out around the time I am in St. John for two weeks. Bummer. I warned him.

        • Mark Muffs says:

          That is sad but it was a case of he played so now he has to pay. I tried to mentor a young co-worker on that but he wouldn’t listen and he kept making his rounds at the parties and now he has a kid from one of those and it was born with serious health issues and he has since had to give up his truck, his 4 wheeler and other stuff that he worked a lot of hours for. Since I made the post three months ago I now have a girlfriend but she has her own place and I have mine and NO KIDS or grandkids (we’re in our 50s) and no family drama so I lucked out and won’t lose anything.

          • Tyler Doe says:

            Right on. Well let’s keep enjoying life. Biological instincts and cultural traditions didn’t screw us over. We are the smart ones 🙂

        • Mark says:

          Why do these guys knock up these bi tches that they hate? Is your best friend nuts? I just don’t get these guys. Do they really have that little self respect?

      • Person says:

        Me either. I mean I can’t have kids anyway, but I wouldn’t even if I had a choice. I do want a husband though, as long as I don’t have to sign any papers. If you have the same last name, nobody will think twice whether you’re legally married or not if you call them your husband.

        • Mark Muffs says:

          I wanted the wife too or a special lady to share life and love to no end without any kid talk but between the circumstances and of course the legalities if it went down I just had to shy away. I’m past 60 now, still open to it as long as she is age compatible (55+) and no kids or grandkids in the picture. Merry Christmas and happy 2017 to you!!!

      • The Dude says:

        Get a co-parenting agreement if you want progeny..if not, don’t fuck.
        Never assume courts will back you.

      • Vana says:

        I agree! Who wants to raise kids by themselves? Not me, never me. Childfree is carefree!!!

    • Frank Nizzo says:

      A vagina ridden with multiple STD’s, cunt cretins from all the whoring while they were in the prime SMV, and metric tons of emotional baggage. Truly fools gold err pink colored CRAP.

      • Vana says:

        What about the men with multiple baby mamas and child support cases, you think a good decent woman has time for that? Not to mention the STDs he has been exposed to.

        • John Raducci says:

          How much easier is it for women to “get laid” then men. Men have to put in a metric ton more work and effort then women. If you have any sense about you , you will know this to be 100% true.

          • Vana says:

            Just because something is easier to do doesnt mean you should be doing it. Most women dont want to just get laid. And that is the real issue. We want more than that. Problem is when men only offer sex and wonder why they didnt get any. I am interested in more but the men wont offer more, so they dont get want they want from me.

            • Say It Aint So says:

              What do you offer that a dog doesn’t?

            • John Davenport says:

              No women only offer sex, and even that doesn’t last. But she does demand money even when not offering anything except being a bitch.

              • Vana says:

                you men who need sex so much are trapping yourselves.

              • David Madden says:

                JOHN this is the best thing i have heard all day – women do only offer sex , they expect a man to be confident Cashed up and Caring slave — do everything for them help them at their worst , when a mans at his worst which i am now at 33 – lost job , broke up with gf , moved back home, lost all our mates cause they were hers — then where is a women – she never stands by her man at the worst times just blames a man for not being strong enough , i can only imagin marriages and bullshit and losing half my house when i get one — and half everything — marriage is really not worth it — i rather re-learn the game fuck hot 20′ women who look nice – have my own kid via egg selection if i had to pass on my wealth and genes , but to be honest kids are dirty little cunts and expensive so when all life has passed i might do it .

                • Shari Peterson says:

                  Now I understand your anger. Hey I’m sorry you went through this.

                  Unlike your ex I left when he was on the upswing because I had to make sure he pushed through the roadblocks that would ensue and I didn’t want him to just give up and lean on me again as he’d always done in the face of adversity.

                  I don’t expect you or anyone else to understand the kind of love I have for him. I hope he savors success and it finally comes to him because he deserves it. I just knew that being who I was only made him comfortable and static and he needed to feel that he could not give up.

                  He will become more confident and happier with his success that I know will come, it is assured because he is amazingly talented…and has now learned to not give up and to push through because he had no choice.

              • Bob Nath says:

                Remember that sex is the enjoyment of both partners. When women engage in sex they get pleasure too, now the smart ones can demand acts which give them orgasm, men never say no…But everything else is what men has to give why? Why women cannot take responsibilty and burden of the family as feminists shout women as equal? Feminists and the old time society has always favored family to secure a nice life for women. Men are forced to just provide stuff for family and take all the heat…I think the time has come when Feminists will learn from the bad seed that they have planted against men and created an overall atmosphere where men are hated. Children are taught that men are bad people and are never allowed to go near. There are equal instances of men and female commiting crimes but men are looked down upon as natural criminals. Sad to see that children suffer due to bad teachings they receive and eventually miss the elderly love and affection from men. Hope feminists are now happy to see that they can live happily alone free of men in their lives. Their ultimate dream is to get rid of men from the face of the earth

                • Vana says:

                  Not all the time! Men climax during sex all the time but not women, so sexual pleasure is seldom mutual unless the women demands that the men not be selfish in bed which many men are.

              • guesttt says:

                this is not true i don’t demand or even ask for anything from a man…i would never want the strings that are attached to it. stop lumping all women into one category SOME women are like that and some are not. an intelligent man would know the difference. in fact I’ve noticed with the men i know they actually cater to women who are needy and asking for them to do things or pay for things etc…whereas when i date men i don’t ask for money or need it and i also don’t ask them to do things for me like they are my errand boy.

              • Dreadful Penny says:

                False statement for most cases. Women, the vast majority of them, do work and earn themeselves the money needed to make ends meet without asking them from men. The majority of women have no interest in enslaving a man to work for them, simply because they can take it on their own, they can work themselves and have pretty decent earnings from that. They seek companionship in a man. And obviously companionship includes sex but it doesn’t all revolve around it…we need more than sex. We need to be heard and adviced. We need a shoulder to cry upon. But its definitely not about money. When I date I never expect to be the man paying everything and its almost always split bills. Obviously being in a relationship means also to make an investment not only of emotions but also of some money…will you not buy some gifts, in special occasions and holidays at least to your special one? Won’t you pay for tickets at the movies? Won’t you buy them a latte for breakfast? These are things both women and men do. I have done them plenty of times and even if it didn’t work out w/ the guy I don’t regret it.
                It’s money. It comes and goes. There’s no use in being stingy because we are gonna leave it here anyway. We have jobs and we’re getting it back. If you don;t want to engage in relationships thats up to you, your own problem…but don’t cling on the money excuse cause its not working anymore.

              • Vana says:

                Women can do more things than offer sex. Who raises your children, who cooks your food and cleans your house? Someone female, right? Most women don’t offer sex unless and until they know the man LOVES them. At least that is how I operate. You get no sex from me until I get love and a relationship from him. There are not that many loose women as you think. You men just assume and hope we are loose women. But we have to have and hold high standards.

                • John Davenport says:

                  Children have no value to men because a man doesn’t own his children. The worthless corrupt US empire owns them first, the woman second, and the man maybe owns them somewhere far down the line.

                  Also it is a similar reason that a woman has no value to a man.

                • Vana says:

                  But that is why men make more money than women. Women and children are expensive. Men are supposed to be providers for them. Women didn’t create this system. we just have to live in it.

                • Nicole Caraccillo says:

                  So true wow thats some hard hitting truth right there

            • Shari Peterson says:

              But when there are so many easy sluts around why would a guy commit to anyone? When a man meets a woman he finds as quality he won’t go for the easy sluts anymore. Or maybe he will. Then he’s not the man for you.

              I place this one on easy slutty women.

              • David Madden says:

                easy sluts == hmmm no such thing , unless shes a drunk useless bitch slut with aids in a club … but who wants those whores ! , ,
                picking up women and dating quality women is 100% hard courting game for men to get sex , Women have to do nothiing ! but look fit and reject what they dont want sexually , but we own commitment … and your right when u meet a women of quality u will commit to a point , but heres were your wrong .. we dont ever want to commit physically , but emotionally we might .. but we still want to fuck other women who are hot … and will prob continue too !! general rule .. A relationship is only for a man if he wants to pass on his genes , otherwise NEVER COMMIT … physically .. emotionally commit if shes a good girl , but their so hard to find , and going on a lot of dates is tiring 🙂 if only there was a slut club , where guys could go have sex and leave and women could too .. and never care then people wanting fun get it , people who dont don’t women hold the sex cards to close and because they hold the sex , it destroys the guy from liking them sometimes

                • Lynn Peters says:

                  The feminists have created a huge slut club. 🙂 I figure guy’s are a lot happier now despite being unhappy with how few HVW were/are smart enough to not fall for the Steinham propaganda.

                • David Madden says:

                  women are all sluts cause u want money power = security so u can have kids and sit around and were lu lu lemon push a kid around in a pram and sip coffee all day , if your a company women u have a bigger penis then men in the work place and no man will ever marry u – i feel sorry for you lynn – ur one of the two – these no special women really – half for nothing ur not worth jack all — ur just a $$$ sign— really hahah

                • Lynn Peters says:

                  You got all that out of my post? Dang, you’re a magician 🙂

                  Fortunately for me, not a single point was accurate, not a single one, well except that I am a woman.

                  I make upper five figures in a support position, absolutely no threat to any man I work with or don’t and having mostly supported my husband (an emotional creative) obviously I don’t see dollar signs everywhere. And it was a relationship that lasted over 15 years between dating and marriage so I was not quick to leave when I didn’t see $$ signs as you presume.

                  I don’t believe in filling someone else’s pocket buying overpriced chemical coffee drinks at liberal shithouses or overpaying for workout clothes (90% of what I wear is bought at thrift stores); in fact I have managed and am managing now to support two households with my income in the westside of LA (if you know LA you know it is not inexpensive) until the ex gets on his feet.

                  I’m really sorry someone did you over so bad to cause so much hatred and anger toward others and I mean that. Whatever happened wasn’t right.

                  But it doesn’t give license to presumptively judge others you don’t know anything about.

                • David Madden says:

                  all i saw is your poor cunt of a husband is your bitch , ur penis is bigger then his , and he had to put up with 15 years of pain and marriage lol
                  that poor poor cunt married to a women who is a man , doesnt even shave or wash disgusting that poor guy i bet no sex either unless he buys u something — like i said above read the post a women who becomes a man with a penis , or a women who walks around with $$$ signs … that poor cunt i feel sorry for him – his penis must have inverted by now – its prob a vagina

                • Shari Peterson says:

                  Whoever messed you up messed you up good and that is very unfortunate.

                  That kind of hate can make you physically ill so I truly hope you find a way to heal. And if you can’t find a loving woman I know why.

                  And again not a single point was accurate (again) and my ex is no cunt.

                • David Madden says:

                  as for messed up .. i just have a hate for women that use men for money ! i see it everywhere .. ive seen mates loose 50% and more and their kids , women are snakes and vindictive and evil. my mates x’s took the kids money and all , and others step all over my mates cause there pussy wiped , and she becomes the man with all the power .. i encourage them to cheat and they do cause their not happy .
                  i have only have sex with women – a relationship is for idiots and when you want offspring .. offspring are expensive messy and loud .. unless your a multi billionaire and can have slaves and nannys to look after ur kids why the fuck have them — cause a women will fight her whole court battle to steal those kids back and half your money ! — or emotionally de-rail you and de-masculine you as you did your husband to send him to spiralling depression the poor cunt – got worse because you stayed with him — and you wonder why it never worked out ! u forgot what it is to be femine
                  know your place !

                • Shari Peterson says:

                  So quit my job is being feminine right? So then we are both broke and soon homeless. That is your solution, right? Because everything else is apparently dickish to you. Messed up dude.

                  I love my ex and stayed with him when he was broke unlike your ex and now I know why she left, because you truly are an asshole. I tried to be kind and rational and you don’t appreciate that either.

                  You want hate and you are just seething with fucking hate.

                • David Madden says:

                  hes a cunt because u gave him his first vagina 🙂 not a cunt as a person –

                • Shari Peterson says:

                  The repeated $$$ comment is interesting though. Explain with a rational mind how a woman stays with a man for 15+ years who made next to nothing for the last 10 and is after $$. Provide specifics if you could because I can’t seem to figure it out.

                  The truth is, and ask any man here, when a man makes less than a woman his self esteem plummets, he is easy to anger and hard to make happy. I did not judge him for making less and didn’t care.

                  What made a difference is his fallen self esteem and lack of drive and focus, those things make for an angry and depressed person. And it is very hard to have a relationship with someone like that.

                  And listening to everyone around me – men and women – constantly asking me why I stay(ed) with him, that is hard to deal as well, but you do because…love.

                  It’s unfortunate you choose to hate a complete stranger who is a truly loving person who cares about people and spends most of her life helping others because of how you were mistreated.

                  Again, sorry you went through that.

                • David Madden says:

                  pfft women will you ever get it ..do you read or hear nothing cause your still angry about the money comment lol — prostitutes seriously lol . rational ok here is it for you sweetheart! you stayed with him because your stupid ! and heres some news for you !!!! A MAN DOES NOT WANT TO MARRY ANOTHER MAN ! meaning u became one . thats whats wrong with women these days they forget there place ! but its not their fault cause men dont want to raise a child now is it !!! I said … women use men for money !! or they become so much of a man and their masculine is stronger , your poor x husband , 15 years of taking it up the ass emotionally from another cock up his ass the poor cunt – so like i said u became more man then him , de masculined the cocker , depression or not that was his choice to fix it .

                • David Madden says:

                  ps he is prob a cool dude , just fucked emotionally by his x wife , that he couldnt be a man to fix it , he had to lose his best man * u to become one !

                • Shari Peterson says:

                  Wow dude you need help and I am serious.

                  So if I’d left him long ago I was a fucking bitch like the one that dumped you but because I stayed I’m a fucking bitch with a dick, right?

                  You do see how you are contradicting yourself, right?

                • Shari Peterson says:

                  No anger sweetie. Curious, but not any more because you’re as irrational as a woman.

                • greatguy999 says:

                  So true. But I fear for our species. We may never make a recovery.

                • Shari Peterson says:

                  That is their goal.

                  Expressing attraction is verboten now. They shame a man for showing interest and call him a creep.

                  They are doing a good job of increasing the level of hate between men and women.

                • Vana says:

                  But Mother Nature didn’t create a slut club. Sex is for bonding and creating families within a marriage. If you don’t want to bond or create a family, STOP HAVING SEX!

        • Adub20 says:

          Another typical female move. Yall are Always trying to deflect whenever the subject is about yall but be the the first ones to bash men 24/7. oops I forgot females are soooo perfect and NEVER do anything wrong. how silly of me… Fuck Outta Here

          • greatguy999 says:

            It is called “reframing”, and women do it without even meaning to. It is the classic female move when it comes to debates and arguments. Endless reframing.

        • Shari Peterson says:

          Men with multiple baby mamas are no better. They have no standards (intelligence comes from who you choose to mother your children) either.

          We all need better standards and expectations for ourselves and others.

        • Sean Michael Diggs says:

          No one is talking about that

      • Dina Strange says:

        wow, how angry and bitter you are.

    • Olsen says:

      I am in my mid 20s and have no intention of dating because of guys like you and DarthW. I see other guys that get stuck having to buy her stuff to keep her happy……no thanks. There is nothing in it for a man.

    • Vana says:

      Until women get equal pay for equal work will women stop using divorce as a way of life. In the old when when women divorced, they did not get the kids. I don’t know what happened to change that, i guess men didn’t really want to raise their kids alone.

      • Take The Red Pill says:

        Oh, please…stop with the (disproven multiple times) talking point that is the feminist lie of “77 cents for every dollar”. If anything, women are paid more than men because companies don’t want to have to go through the legal hassle of fighting a false accusation (women’s favorite choice of weapon, after sex).

        • Vana says:

          In my industry, women are paid less than men, that is an undeniable fact!

          • Pablo Escobar says:

            If you bring value to a company(putting in the hours, bringing in profit, bringing production costs down), you will get rewarded just like any male for it. You do not get to make an equal amount with a male counterpart just because you have a vagina.

          • How Do I Advance A Plot? says:

            Cite hard statistics. Keep personal bias out of it, such as feeling yourself drawn towards feelings of entitlement. If you want to be heard, debate accurately, factually, and without emotional bias. It is the only way to be taken seriously. I can not take you seriously.

          • Take The Red Pill says:

            So why aren’t you reporting that fact to the EEOC? Or the media? Or a lawyer?

          • Maverick says:

            Ha! anecdotal evidence isn’t always accurate.

      • MEME says:

        They should get equal for equal work. As for them using divorce, they may not have a choice because men are not marrying. I know what happened with women now getting the kids, they threatened there political Husbands to make the change or you will get no sex and or I will divorce you. Some type of black mail in there somewhere

      • Tyler Doe says:

        until women start working as hard as men, they won’t get paid equally. Good try though. Want to have babies? Want to stay home and not work and raise babies? Want to hang out at Starbucks while men are working on certifications and Master’s Degrees? Keep it up. You will never be paid equally.

        • Mark says:

          The wage gap is a total myth anyways. It’s been debunked so many times it’s not even funny anymore.

          • Tyler Doe says:

            No, it exists. It’s the difference between how much a woman spends on a shopping spree and the amount of her last paycheck. lol. Better hope you meet Prince Charming or you will end up a broke-down, poor, cougar roaming the hotel bars!

        • Lynn Peters says:

          The problem is of course, a woman’s education is seen as a negative so if she does work on a masters degree it’s not appreciated. White collar jobs eliminate the need for physical differences between men and women as they are mental in structure and not labor/physical, where men have a clear genetic advantage.

          I always made more than my husband (I have a GED with a few years of university) and I didn’t mind but he also lost his drive over time or maybe gave up in the face of adversity because he had a fall back and as a result, he wasn’t hungry. That’s not an attractive trait over the long haul.

          He was afforded the opportunity to chase his dreams, I didn’t mind supporting him when he did this, you always hear “do what you enjoy, the money will follow.” I can unemphatically say that’s not true!

          Do you guys suggest a woman should stay out very good years in love hoping a man will find his niche or leave right away?

          I stayed and would be considered one of those post wall women. Had I left early I would have been called a typical money grabber.

          We can’t win sometimes no matter what, unfortunately.

          • BlueLanternMonk says:

            Fortunately, all women receive Affirmative Action and Caucasian women are the primary beneficiaries of Affirmative Action and so, you’ll always have your career.

          • Tyler Doe says:

            Exactly, you can’t win. Especially when women’s definition of win is having it all. Welcome to a man’s world. If you choose career and don’t get to stay home and raise babies and end up having to settle for a lesser guy than you would have gotten at age 21…well, you’ve made your choice. You can’t have it all. Men have always known this. Women have been raised to believe a man’s life is this big, free, party, and women can and should have that too! That’s not the case. Men always had to work hard with no other choice. Freedom doesn’t equal happiness, and usually the freedom to do something becomes the duty. 70 years ago your husband would have HAD to work and support you. Unintended consequences. At least you have choices now.

      • DarthW says:

        The gender pay gap is a liberal lie. Two very obvious pieces of illogic in the idea that a pay gap exists: First, most HR personnel and managers in businesses are female, and so they know the pay rates of the employees there. If a company in this day and age were pushing an agenda to assure female workers doing the same jobs as male workers, all these female HR workers would have to be in collusion with the companies. Second, if businesses still though they could get away with paying women less for the same work, they would simply be hiring way more women and male unemployment would skyrocket because businesses could save lots of money on the bottom line if they could get away with such.

        As for the stats that liberals will point to about the mythical pay gap, if you look at male and female pay as a whole there appears to be a pay gap. However, when you look at individual job fields there is none. By looking at all jobs for both genders, the higher paying dangerous jobs or jobs that involve a lot of extra overtime or on call are more often occupied by men, because men are more willing to take on the danger or have the time flexibilitiy than women are often willing or able. Women can get into those fields (and it’s truly great they can), but they more often have no interest in the risk, time, etc. So many more men are in the higher paying jobs, and when the math is done including these jobs, the stats make it appear that men earn more for the same jobs…and it’s not accurate.

        I remember Jennifer Lawrence talking once on the news about not getting paid as much as her male counterparts on a movie. When put to the test, she admitted finally that she simply didn’t hold out in negotiations for pay on the film because she was “afraid” or “didn’t want to make someone mad”. Really she didn’t get paid because SHE DIDN’T negotiate or get her agent to negotiate for more. I would argue she had the same opportunity to make as much as the men, but by her own admittance simply didn’t push it. That’s feminism and equality ladies, you have to be able to come to the table and get what you think you deserve when salaries are negoatiated as the business is looking to save money.

        • Marc Brown says:

          I think we are witnessing that:

          [you have to be able to come to the table and get what you think you deserve when salaries are negotiated as the business is looking to save money.]

          Women will not only demand fairness, but will become outright ruthless in getting way more than anything even close to resembling fair when they know they can get away with it. I present most divorce laws/results as my evidence.

          Now….. if the roles were reversed (which I believe they will be in the distant future) I have no doubt that men would act the same way.

          Then, at that time, and only at that time based on EVERYTHING I have witnessed by the overall thought process by women as a whole since equality has started failing them by become “over-imbalanced”, ….. only then will they realize how badly they have fucked themselves.

          ”’wait a second- now I have to make all the money, do everything and then give it all up to men just because they didn’t have a job (or as good of a job) as I do? And they get the kids by default? That’s bullshit”’

          I understand absolutely how women have been treating shitty by men up until now, I truly do. However, the reaction that has taken placed, based purely on emotion and crowd mentality, is not making the world a better place… for men or women. If I may oversimplify it for ease of explaining- it’s like like harming everyone around you out of spite without putting any thought or logic into the consequences…. and this is a very woman thing to do. Guys do it too, but in much smaller numbers. It’s almost humorous to see ti play out on such a large scale. …. if it weren’t so sad.

      • Maverick says:

        F*** off, until employers get women to do the same amount and work as many hours as men. Just the other day I read that women are pushing to have paid “that time of the month” days off…. oh and will continue to bitch about this gender pay gap – which has been debunked over and over and over, hell even my highly feminist publications such as Time magazine, Huffington post and many more. You women who are never happy will still never be happy until every man is homeless after being regulated out of even being hired.

        • BlueLanternMonk says:

          You said it! I say a little Affirmative Action,for men and on women’s dime,is in order.
          “I told you not to bother me in the field. What do you want ?” – Maverick

        • Bob Nath says:

          True. This is another BS where feminists want equal pay for women when men do more work.When I visit HomeDepot or Menards, I see that women nicely take the fancy cashier jobs while they will call their male counterparts to lift the 50 lb salt bags for customers. When men are doing tough jobs how these moron feminists claim to have equal pay for women? Are they blind or crazy?

    • Maverick says:

      Very true, for me I keep looking for a wife as I do enjoy the company of a woman but it’s just not working. I find that the young ones (which I prefer) are too busy with other men, the older ones have mega baggage from past relationships, abortions, and men constantly going to bat for their bad behavior. Let’s not forget the older ones have massive debt due to easy credit cards or school loans which has priced them completely out of marriage market in a world where men are responsible for all things women do including their debts. The super old ones – I’m completely not interested in and I’d rather be alone if that’s all I had to choose from. That leaves early teenagers and preteens… lol, and that is just sick. There is really no hope. It was stated before: In these day’s their will be no love. I’m going to at least try to get out of the country and maybe I’ll find hope somewhere else. I’d rather live in a 3rd world and have family than to live in this paradise without…

    • Queen Israel says:

      Originally it was the complete opposite… not that facts seem to matter to you people… since the first known divorce of Henry the 8th… a quick factual history or divorce… created by and ran by men…

      “The Church of England’s resistance to divorce was so strong that the only route to a divorce was via an act of Parliament—a law voted through by both houses. Not surprisingly, few people had the means or inclination to expose their private unhappiness to the press, the public and 800-odd politicians. When a divorce law was finally enacted in 1857, and the “floodgates” were opened, the number of divorces in English history stood at a mere 324.

      Only four of the 324 cases were brought by women. A husband needed to prove adultery to obtain a divorce. By contrast, a wife was required to prove adultery and some other especially aggravating circumstance to have the same grounds. Over the years, women learned that brutality, rape, desertion and financial chicanery did not count. In fact, Parliament seemed hard pressed to say what did, until Jane Addison launched her case in 1801. She won on the basis of Mr. Addison’s adultery and incest with her sister in the marital home.

      Before Mrs. Addison’s successful suit, the best a woman could hope for was a legal separation. Such arrangements were under the jurisdiction of the church courts. Litigants of either sex could sue for separation on the basis of life-threatening cruelty or adultery. Women who obtained a divortium a mensa et thoro (separation from bed and board) could live apart from their husbands, often on an allowance fixed by the court. The process was expensive and tortuous—hence there were only a few dozen cases a year—and at the end, no matter what the grounds for the separation, a wife was still required to be chaste and obedient to her husband. Unless there were truly extenuating circumstances, she could expect to lose custody of her children, too.

      One of the earliest instances of a divorce law was in the Colony of Massachusetts Bay, who created a judicial tribunal that dealt with divorce matters in 1629. This legislative body was allowed to grant divorces on the basis of adultery, desertion, bigamy and in many cases impotence as well. In the North, the colonies adopted their own approaches that made divorce available whereas the southern colonies did all they could to prevent the act even if they did have legislation in place.

      After 1776, divorce law was less restrictive. Hearing divorce cases took the legislature away from what they deemed as more important work, so it was handed to the judiciary where it remains today. The big problem at the time, for women, at least, was that they were a legal non-entity in the sense that it was difficult for them to claim ownership of property or financial assets which worked against them in the case of a divorce.

      The Married Women’s Property Acts in 1848 went some way to rectifying this, however throughout the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries divorce remains relatively uncommon if we think of how much it is used today and women were at a tremendous disadvantage from the get go.

      By the end of the 18th century, there were numerous ‘divorce mill’ states or places such as Indiana, Utah, and the Dakotas where you could go and get a divorce. Many towns provided accommodation, restaurants, bars and events centered on this trade. In 1887, Congress ordered the first compilation of divorce statistics at a federal level to see how big the ‘problem’ had become.

      The Inter-Church Conference on Marriage and Divorce was held in 1903 in an attempt to use religion to ensure that divorce was kept to a minimum. However with the onset of feminism and the general relaxation of views towards divorce from a societal and moral standpoint, the practice was gaining traction.

      In the 1920’s trial marriages were established that allowed a couple to try a marriage without actually being married; not having kids or any lifelong financial commitments. In a way it was simply two people of the opposite sex living in the same quarters however for the time, it was a new concept and was one of the first ways in which the law tried to accommodate prenuptial contracts. In fact, marriage counseling was beginning to become popular as well and represented the recognition that a problem existed even if they law did not strictly prohibit it.

      As the years rolled by and the nation found itself embroiled in two world wars, divorce took a back seat as far as lawmakers were concerned. However, the Family Court system that started in the 1950’s was the first time in decades that the legislature and judicial system in the US tackled the divorce issue.

      For years, couples had to go through the traditional court system to get a divorce or, at least, plead their case to do so. However with new laws in the place that established the Family Court, this created a way for judges to ratify agreements between couples for divorce that had been previously created. While the law used to ensure that a case had to be heard in a court of law, this now changed.

      Possibly the biggest change to divorce law in the United States in its history came with no-fault divorces in the 1970’s. Up until now there still had to be a party at fault. Even in the Family Courts, there was still a need for an adulterer or such like to be identified and then for the terms of the divorce to be agreed however with the change in the law then a divorce could be granted if neither party was at fault.

      California led the way in 1969 however it wasn’t until the 1970’s that other states (Iowa being the second) adopted the law. In many respects, it was enacted to bring down the cost of divorce regarding hiring lawyers and expensive court fees from drawn out trials that didn’t come to fruition. Divorce lawyers and financial advisors all still profited greatly from divorce proceedings even if both parties simply wanted to split and move on.

      Something that this change in the law didn’t focus on was child custody, and it remained a neglected topic. Laws to address this included:

      The Uniform Child Custody Jurisdiction Act in 1968
      Parent Kidnapping Act in 1980
      The Hague Convention on International Child Abduction in 1986

      While the law has attempted to create a fair an equal child custody process, it still isn’t quite right in many respects and even with the legislation that has been enacted over the years there remains work to do.

      For years men got to throw women out and keep the kids and women couldn’t even see the children she bore if the husband did not wish it; as women could not own property or secure financial work the men always had full custody. Now a days it goes in the complete opposite direction, with women getting the upper hand and men finding it harder and harder for the courts to side with them.

      How about instead of complaining about something you guys did to women for centuries and trying to play the victims, you admit how it went in the past was wrong and how it goes now is also wrong and there needs to be some sort of in the middle compromise of these two extremes. FVI the real victims are the kids.

    • David Fife says:

      Remember, When men marry, its for love. They want you just the way you are. When women marry, its a business decision. For women, love, is the same thing as warm feelings for the man and the prestige, social status, access to capital, lifestyle and all other things he’ll bring to the marriage. But remeber, its a business decision first and foremost. For women, love means all of those beneficial adjectives as listed above. They are interchangable with the word love when this is transfered to her.

      • Dina Strange says:

        nonsense.

      • QueenNephilim says:

        Actually, what’s wrong with treating marriage as a business decision? The courts treat it like a business when it falls apart; so why not treat it like a business when it comes together? That is, have a preup in full effect, and full force prior to obtaining a marriage license. For me, the relationship is the love. The marriage and the prenup is the safety mechanism and the tangible structure placed around it. The prenup keeps both parties accountable, and enables the couple to create safe boundaries when clear-eyed and level-headed. It also protects the couple from the court’s narrative – and more importantly: each other.

        Personally, I have a lot to give as a woman: affection, resources, knowledge and know-how. I would share my affection with a boyfriend; my assets, resources, and undying devotion with a husband. There are degrees to the madness.

        • David Fife says:

          Could not agree with you more! Good fences make for good neighbors. It keeps everyone on their best behaviour. Marriage can protect mediocrity, bad behavior and lack of trying.

          The other aspect to what you just described, is that both parties will have no illusion how they will be treated in the exit arrangements should you violate the terms of the agreement.

    • Dina Strange says:

      Thank you for your bitter, angry comment. Thank god courts won’t listen to you.

  • Truth says:

    Very hard these days to find a Good decent woman to connect with.

    • Jessica says:

      That is true. It’s also difficult for a woman to a good decent man to conncet with. That’s what happens when the sexes battle each other. Nothing left but anger, resentment, and hatred towards men and women.

      • rawr says:

        most men are good men, at least 70%. not all of them are going to be rich or hot, but they’re unique men of character and intrigue. can you say the same about yourself? the more women i’ve met the more i’ve realized that beyond a nice face and hips most women aren’t really anything special, nor do they have the strength of character to be the kind of person you can depend on when things go to shit. most women have nothing to offer men beyond their bodies, and anything else that they can offer a man beyond that, he or his male friends can do equal or better.

        • Jessica says:

          Actually, yes I can. I don’t sugar-coat or beat around the bush. I don’t run and hide when things go ape shit because nothing will get solved that way. Men and women both need to face everything head on instead of running like scared little boys and girls. BTW rawr, I am married. I look at life from both sides, not just one.

      • SeriouslySpeaking says:

        Well with the kind of women that are out there these days, many of us will Not waste our time.

        • Jessica says:

          It’s both men and women that are doing things to each other as well as the jacked-up man-made laws everyone voted on that make marriage a bad deal for both sexes. It’s not just the women’s fault, men play a part in this as well.

          • SeriouslySpeaking says:

            Well for many of us men that are still single as i speak, i always wanted to get married and have a family just like so many others that were very Blessed to have, and the times that we’re living in now does make it much more difficult for us. Most of the women out there really Don’t want to get married anymore today like years ago which many of them Did. Times have certainly changed, and so many women have changed as well. To see so many of our family members that were very Blessed to meet one another years ago and have a family was a very good thing for them since meeting one another was certainly Much Easier for them which it is Not for many of us, and thanks to them that is why many of us are here today.

            • Jessica says:

              Absolutely. Times have changed for both the best and worst. I am married and blessed to have a family. I do understand why both men and women don’t want to get married because I look at both perspectives. I also agree that if it weren’t for those who did marry, we wouldn’t be here. It’s sad that men and women don’t want to get married because they’re too busy trying look for the next notch in their belts, focusing on careers (not necessarily bad), feeling like their losing their freedom, and don’t want to lose everything they worked hard for. Material things can be replaced. A husband or wife can not.

              • SeriouslySpeaking says:

                Like i have mentioned with my last comment, many of us good men that really wanted to get married and have a family are certainly Not single by choice since for us it is really very extremely hard finding the right woman to connect with which we really Can’t blame ourselves at all. What makes it very hard for us men is that with much more women today that are very high maintenance, independent, selfish, very spoiled, and very greedy, really makes it very difficult for us finding love today since many women also are very Career minded which many of them do think their all that too which makes it worse. And how Can a good man like many of us find a good woman that is Not like that today? It is very hard for a woman today that would Accept us for who we are since we Don’t make the kind of money that they are making now. I really wish that i was born many years earlier when it was so much Easier finding love in those days just like our parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles did which it was certainly much Easier for them, and both men and women really had to Struggle to make ends meat too which many of the women back then Never knew the meaning of what a high maintenance woman was. As you can see how very hard for us men today that have to Suffer for this. And it is true what they say that married men will live much longer than single men which i can see why.

                • Jessica says:

                  I agree. Believe it or not, men have also become selfish, spoiled, and greedy too. It’s difficult for both sexes to find love these days. It’s refreshing to see a man who refuses to give up on getting married because he truly wants to and won’t let other people’s bad experiences deter him from achieving that. Just be patient and one day your wife will come. Keep doing well.

                • SeriouslySpeaking says:

                  Thank you very much for your support.

                • Jessica W says:

                  You’re welcome.

                • Luke says:

                  You can argue that our behavior is heavily influenced by the way women, our mothers or sisters or wives have treated us. The statistics on the amount of men in prison who grew up in single-mother households are real and really accurate.

                • Jessica W says:

                  That’s because those men allowed themselves to hang out with the wrong people. A woman can’t teach a boy how to be a man. A woman can do all that she can to teach her son, but ultimately, it takes a man to help a boy become a man. If these boys had a male figure in their lives who were trustworthy, this wouldn’t be an issue. When a man leaves out of a boy’s life, of course that boy is going to give his mother hell and not listen to her. If a boy won’t listen to his mother who is doing the best she can to raise him, he will end up in prison instead of being successful. He will have no one to blame but himself because he chose to go down that road.

                • Luke says:

                  Really? Mothers aren’t capable of guiding a boy into manhood? Tell that to my mother, god rest her. If women can’t help a boy feel proud and confident enough in being a responsible, caring man, then it’s simply because these mothers / wives don’t care enough to learn. Women want men to be more sensitive and understanding. It should go both ways in respect to both genders. As long as these mothers refuse to raise their boys to love themselves, these boys will grow up showing disrespect and hate for themselves and subsequently others around them.

                • Jessica W says:

                  Some mothers can; some can’t. When you get down to it, it still takes a man to help a boy become a man. Like I said, if men didn’t abandon these boys, women wouldn’t have to be the fathers to their boys.

                • Luke says:

                  It’s not just women being high maintenance. It’s not just women who are so fickle and narcissistic. Now, we have to worry whether or not these women want anything to do with men. They’re either incredibly gay or incredibly non-sexual. They’ve also been propagandized to fear men so much that the simple act of pursuing them for an intimate relationship is now seen as predatory. So, what the fck is a guy to do??

              • DarthW says:

                Apparently husbands can be easily replaced. 70% of the time, and up to 90% of the time if the wife has a college education, it is the wives who initiate that divorce to get them that husbands money, and then replace him with the next one.

                • Jessica W says:

                  If the husband isn’t doing what he’s supposed to do as a husband, what makes you think a woman will stay with him? You need to look at both sides of the coin instead of one.

                • DarthW says:

                  There are certainly divorces initiated by wives that are for legit reasons, but if 70%+ (in some reports up to 90% of the time wives with college educations initiate divorce) that tells me an awful lot of women are simply not using brains to pick spouses for the long term, or the wives are simply bored, or easily dissatisfied and fickle. So, in more cases I believe the stats show women are more often simply not good risks for guys to marry.

                  Besides, when women divorce the court systems give most ex-wives the house, cars, money, alimony, and other parting gifts. Which is more of a motivator for women to file. All those parting gifts. Men generally get to pay, and pay.

                  I do look at both sides. However, I favor men’s sides cause we get a royal screwing (except sexually – wives legs close up after the nuptials most of the time) when we get married.

                • Jessica W says:

                  Did it occur to you that after men get married sometimes they become lazy, spoiled and selfish as well? They too deprive women sexually and have the nerve to expect their wives to cater to them. And they wonder why they end up bitter and lonely. It looks to me those so-called stats are referring to white women. I bet only a very small percentage come from other races. If a person doesn’t do right (male or female) by their marriage, of course they’re going to pay financially and/or with their lives.

                • DarthW says:

                  If men are “as fickle as women” as you say, the stats don’t bear that out since it is WIVES who initiate most divorces. The stats don’t mention race from any I’ve seen.

                  As for men expecting her to cater to him, again a woman who finds herself in a marriage like that didn’t pay attention to what his expectations were. She ignored sense and later instead of trying to make the marriage work, she divorces.

                  Yes men play a part, apparently 30% of the time, or less, depending upon the report. Women play a much larger part. What’s laughable is that women hold themselves up as if they were the gauge or thermometer knowing what relationships are all about – thanks to Oprah-like shows that cater to the silly notion that women have an idea how relationships should work better than men. Women have no idea how relationships with men should work, and so they shouldn’t marry a man and take his earnings when she decides to leave.

                • Jessica W says:

                  Some men also don’t know how a relationship works with women either. It’s sad that both sexes make marriage a bad deal for themselves. I know how a relationship with a man is supposed to work. That’s why my marriage is successful and happy because we work as a team to make things happen. Most men and women are not willing to do so and wonder why they’re having so much hell. If men and women would stop battling each other when it comes to relationships and marriages, life would be so much more pleasant. Stats have very little to with men being fickle. All who are human beings can be fickle and become bored with their spouses. Gender does not matter. If you want to run with trash instead of working it out with your spouse, then stay out with the trash. This goes for both men and women.

                • DarthW says:

                  I do agree with you on some points there actually.

                  It’s simple, if there is a chance one is going to get “fickle” or “bored” in a relationship, then simply date and when the fickleness or boredom hits, you go your separate ways, and move on. Western women, however want to get married so they can lock a guy in legally, and yet the stats indicate that wives are double the fickleness. LOL. That doesn’t mean all divorces aren’t legitimately needed, but with the crazy divorce rates, why would anyone with sense take the risk? For love? LOL She’ll love me all the way to the divorce. Fickleness and boredom are rampant, so no one – man or woman – should lock themselves into marriage, but given the court system especially men.

                  At one time I though marriage had value. Given the regular splits of couples, seeing decent men get taken in the process after the divorce, no way I see it having any value now. Women want to marry, and the best way to get back at them for their abuse of power is to simply not step into the trap.

                • Jessica W says:

                  Just because divorce is rampant doesn’t mean that all marriages are going to end that way. I still say it’s wealthy white women doing all these things. Other races of women divorce with valid reasons. It just seems to me that you are a man scorned because you married the wrong woman and got burned. It takes two to make a marriage sweet and two to make it go bad. People don’t want to work on their marriages when trouble comes. They would rather run with the trash instead of working it out with their spouse. Ultimately, you get what you put into marriage. I don’t see marriage as a trap. Get with someone who wants the same things and works with you toward those goals. Some people come in your life for a lifetime; the majority come for a season. You will always mess up mixing seasonal people with lifetime expectations. Not only that, if you can’t give a person what they truly need and want, it’s not going to work.

                • DarthW says:

                  Nope, never been married and FAR, FAR from scorned. After seeing the state of marriage I am oh so glad I never got suckered into it.

                  And I agree with you that some marriages don’t necessarily end badly, and there are a few that are happy – or seem to be. And they are what people put into them. But at a 60% divorce rate (again most initiated by wives), and there are probably another large percentage who remain married and hate it, that leaves a very small percentage of people who are happily betrothed. And so a large percentage of reasons not to take the risk at all, especially if you are a man with assets, or a man who will have assets.

                  And if the majority of people “come for a season”, since none of us can truly know the rare ones who will remain for that lifetime it’s simply better to date them for that season and not get legally bound.

                • Jessica W says:

                  You’ll be able to tell who will be there for you in your life for a lifetime or a season by simply observing the person you are with. You should also ask yourself why you want to date that person. Enticement is a mfer. I guess I’m a rarity that is willing to make my marriage work. My grandmother gave me one piece of advice. Being married once is enough. If it works, yippie!! If not, oh well. At least I gave it a shot. Not many people can say that.

                • DarthW says:

                  Well, if it doesn’t work out after the first marriage, I don’t see why anyone would try a second time. I honestly don’t understand why someone would try it the first time either, obviously :), but there was a time in my life I did ponder that first time as well….and then I got smart. LOL.

                  I do understand much of what you are saying. And I do think that much of the time if you spend enough time with someone you get a vibe of who will stay and who won’t. I’m thankful to have a couple good friends who have been nearly a lifetime….but I wouldn’t marry them. 🙂

                  It sounds like you have a brain and you and your husband have something good going. I hope your husband is of the same mind. Still, wouldn’t risk marriage for the world, and I discourage all men to do so. When enough women can’t find a decent, hard-working guy to marry because enough of we guys are tired of getting reamed by women leaving the marriage, cleaning us out, taking our kids, and getting all that help from the family courts, then maybe women will turn on their sisters who have simply made marriage a bad deal for we men.

                • Jessica W says:

                  Don’t get me wrong. I don’t like how these laws are affecting men. My husband and I talk about this as well. It’s bad enough that my husband loses half of his paycheck to child support. That is ridiculous, but that’s Missouri state law for you. I used to didn’t want to get married at one time myself because I’ve watched too many of my family members get married, divorced, and remarried. Then I had to change my thinking because just because their marriages didn’t work doesn’t mean mine won’t work. My grandmother said it best. Being married once is enough. I agree with her on that. Thank you for the compliment Darth. Nothing wrong with being cautious and not wanting to marry. It does piss me off that women and men have made marriage a bad deal for each other. The laws are no better because in the end, everyone suffers.

                • DarthW says:

                  And understand that to me child support for one’s children is necessary when reasonable. Alimony is absolutely NOT ever OK, and as women are making more in the workplace now I imagine the alimony laws will change when more women have their ex-husbands gold digging them for alimony like women have for decades.

                • Jessica W says:

                  I have heard of women being required to pay alimony to an ex. To be honest, nobody should pay anything except support for the children. Luckily, I don’t have to worry about that. If my husband and I ever divorce, I don’t want anything from him except for him to be out of my life. Another good thing is that we don’t have children together. He has children from previous relationships. It wouldn’t surprise me if the laws do change. Only time will tell on that note.

                • Unreal says:

                  “wealthy white women doing all these things. Other races of women divorce with valid reasons. ”

                  Projection of the worst kind.

                  Actually college educated upper middle class people — regardless of race — are the least likely to divorce. Google it and see the stats for yourself.

                • Jessica W says:

                  Like I said, most of of them are white. I’ve seen enough cases. Call it what you want. Observe up close and personal.

                • Unreal says:

                  Ok. But you do realize that your personal circle of friends is not automatically representative of the entire population. Right?

                • Jessica W says:

                  It doesn’t matter. I don’t have friends. It’s an observation of other people. They don’t have to be your friends. Unlike most people, I observe the things around me, not go on a computer to Google for stats that were probably made up.

                • Unreal says:

                  LOL. Research studies conducted by scientists are made up but your interpretation of distant observations of people you don’t know (also known as assumptions) are the gospel. OK.

                • Jessica W says:

                  LMAO. Seeing is believing.

                • Unreal says:

                  Let me see if I can say it another way: It’s possible for you to have one experience and someone else — or lots of other people — to have a very different experience. Your experience is not wrong, it’s your experience. It’s just not a given that it applies to the rest of the world. Make sense?

                • Jessica W says:

                  I guess you don’t believe that so-called scientific research can be altered and manipulated. When you see things with your own eyes, it can apply to the rest of the world. Like I said, stats mean nothing if you haven’t observed with your eyes up close and personal.

                • Unreal says:

                  It’s actually not that hard to discern credible research from BS.

                  Just like it’s not hard to discern a person interested in knowledge and new ideas from someoene only interested in validation of their opinions at all costs.

                • Jessica W says:

                  Yeah, I bet in your world.

                • Unreal says:

                  Ok, Jessica…

                  Based on my observations:

                  Black men are criminals.

                  Black women have bad attitudes and are mostly undateable.

                  People in the south and Midwest are far less intelligent than people on the east and west coast.

                  White frat boys are rapists.

                  Christians are racist hypocrites.

                  People who are against gay marriage are closeted homosexuals.

                • Jessica W says:

                  Lmao. That’s on you. Not everyone thinks like you.

                • Unreal says:

                  It’s called hypocrisy.

                • Jessica W says:

                  No shit.

                • Unreal says:

                  when you educate yourself and open your mind enough to realize that you are not the purveyor of truth, and that being opinionated is not the same thing as being intelligent, “holla” at me. I won’t hold my breath.

                • Jessica W says:

                  You can be intelligent and opinionated at the same time. Nice talking to you.

                • Unreal says:

                  Ok so if a woman finds herself married to an a–, she should have picked better.

                  But if a man finds himself married to a b—-, it’s not his fault because all women are two faced cheating lying whores who tricked them.

                  Sure.

                • DarthW says:

                  I didn’t say “all”, but you did. A Freudian slip I suspect. What I’m saying it the stats bear out that women are most at fault for the failing marriages, yet women walk away more often with the house, his 401K, alimony, the kids, the bulk of the recipients of child support. Women aren’t that great at marriage, but they also, most often, get the financial rewards in a divorce.

                • Unreal says:

                  70% of women initiating divorce does not mean 70% of men are blameless. Have you ever actually researched this or questioned this red pill favorite talking point at all?

                  “Women aren’t that great at marriage.” How so? Again your credibility would be greatly enhanced by backing up your opinions with facts.

                • DarthW says:

                  The facts are in the stats. In the divorces initiated by wives where the guy is at fault, in those cases SHE did not do her due diligence to make sure he was compatible, not a POS, etc. And in the divorces where he is a good guy SHE is divorcing a good guy. It’s one or the other. Women have brains, and should pay attention to the qualities of the guys they marry so they don’t have to initiate so many divorces, wouldn’t you say. And then there will always be the wives who simply get “bored” or don’t think a decent guy is spending enough money on them, or thing the grass is greener on the other side, so these women divorce good guys.

                • Unreal says:

                  So once again, men are never at fault for the failure of a marriage, only women.

                  I’ve seen studies that over half of married men cheat and as many as 80% watch porn. I guess men “aren’t that great at marriage” either. Oh wait, no, that’s women’s fault too!

                  Are men ever responsible for anything in your view?

                • DarthW says:

                  I didn’t say men are not at fault. After all, many of them are at fault for being weak and giving in to her insistence that they must get married. Men have plenty of examples around them where a divorce happened, the man was the primary earner in the marriage, but he ended up paying and paying when the divorce came because family courts favor women. Further, if a guy is a deadbeat, he is at fault for being a deadbeat, and hard working men don’t respect deadbeats, but if a woman married a deadbeat (and yes, he was usually an obvious deadbeat when they were dating), then she has a large fault in marrying him.

                  Just as many wives cheat as men these days.

                  Obviously , at least 20 to 30% of the time it is the men initiating the divorces. I’m sure some of these are divorces from nice wives.

                  Let’s be real though, it isn’t men who generally insist on marriage these days. Men get married to please the woman they supposedly fall in love with, not because society demands such any longer. Women, most of the time, insist on relationships “moving forward” which means towards a legal arrangement that makes the male part of the relationship very vulnerable, and doesn’t put her at much risk at all. Often she finally gives an ultimatum, the weak guy gives in. And most women and men I’ve seen marry, usually – not always, but by far most of the time, the woman brings little to nothing financially to the marriage, quits her job soon after the marriage or always has a low stress, hence low paying gig for the duration. While the man works a higher earning salary, pays most or all the bills, and waits for the inevitable divorce, usually initiated by her, where she will be facilitated by the family courts to take the house, the car, the kids, etc. If feminism were fair, she would get the percentage based on her salary and what she contributed to the marriage…since we’re all supposedly equal now and all.

                • Unreal says:

                  “And most women and men I’ve seen marry, usually – not always, but by far most of the time, the woman brings little to nothing financially to the marriage, quits her job soon after the marriage or always has a low stress, hence low paying gig for the duration. ”

                  Not what I see at all so let’s chalk this up to a difference in the circles we travel in. OK?

                  Sadly there are SO many women who agree that the courts need to handle divorce and custody in a much more equal way. Of course we’re also likely to be the ones you trash and alienate when you call us “careerist c–nts” and “evil feminazis.” Because you’ve bought the line that feminists want biased family courts. You’d be surprised to know who is in fact behind the twisted family laws today, but I’m sure you wouldn’t believe it.

                • Luke says:

                  That’s a great excuse to keep allowing people jump in and out of intimate relationships as easily as going through the drive-thru. Whatever happened to giving your partner the benefit of the doubt or giving them a chance, because they are human beings and are therefore never going to be perfectly performing robots??

                • Jessica W says:

                  Some people deserve a chance. Many don’t. If people want a lifetime marriage, then people need to stop acting like they’re seasonal people. This goes for men and women. What one person won’t do, another person will.

            • DarthW says:

              Actually every woman I meet wants to get married….yet, of course, they bring nothing financially beneficial to the contract, and in fact often bring piles of baggage (debt, kids, ex-husbands, drama) for me to get to pay for with my good income, home, paid for vehicles, 401K and IRA. While I know there are some women out there who are an exception, most women bring nothing of benefit to a relationship, so in marrying a successful guy the relationship is a win for her in marriage and often a win when she divorces the guy thanks to the courts. For a guy it’s a lose-lose on both points.

              Most of the guys I know who are married – and many divorced – have/had wives who “lost” their jobs or downgraded their careers severely after they got ahold of his wallet. Many of them decided AFTER telling him otherwise before the marriage (like the lie she tells about “I want sex often” before he signs his name on the contract) that she would be a “career woman” and provide half to the household like feminism claims — and then she didn’t.

              Jessica, you may be giving your finances to the household, but for every 1 of your there are 20 women doing the opposite.

              No thanks to marriage. Guys, life is better, sex is better, and there is always more money in your pocket when you stay single and free.

              • Jessica W says:

                Obviously it’s mostly white women because black, hispanic, asian, and other races of women don’t do what is being said that’s done. That’s on everyone else if they want to be single and alone. Just don’t ask for a good woman because no woman in her right mind wants to deal with bitter men like you. Not all women have baggage, want to get married and have kids, etc. Too bad you allowed your bad experiences dictate your future. If you fall, who’s going to help you back up since you’re alone?

          • mack says:

            bad deal for both sexes?? seriously? its a win win situation for a women if she can find some sucker to marry her and then divorce him she won the jackpot; a lifetime check. thats the only reason women wants so much to marry and us guys know it .we wont fall for it no more . MGTOW

            • Jessica says:

              Actually, not all women are like that. I’m married myself and I don’t think like that. I wanted to marry because I truly wanted to spend the rest of my life with him. I didn’t and still don’t care about material things because those can be replaced. A husband or wife can not. Women sometimes don’t want to marry because she may feel like she is losing her freedom and identity and feel that she has higher goals instead of looking after some man and a bunch of screaming kids. I’m sorry that you feel this way. Just forgive the women who did you wrong and move on because right now they still have power over you. Let go and let God (if you believe).

              • mack says:

                Jessica this is not about you . Every message ive read from you , you phreaking talk about you you you , that since your not like that as its a valid reason to think ALL women arent like that. You miss the point completely . it doesnt matter if there are a few exceptions. it doesnt even matter if a lot of women supposedly wouldnt do that, What matters is that since the laws are the way they are , every single women is ALLOWED by law to do what i said if they so wish. its left to their own judgement to destroy a man or not . and if you dont have your eyes vision closed like some horse and if your willing to be honest , you will admit that a shit ton of women had and wont have no problem to do so.
                Laws are in such a way that the only garantee a man has that she wont destroy him is her own word. And guess what most peoples WORD and PROMESSES have zero value, therefore even if your a good women just your word ISNT GOOD ANUFF and therefore with those laws of today no MAN should ever married period!
                really stop talking about yourself as if its a valuable counter. its not , at best your just a rare exception who doesnt make the general rule false.

                • Jessica says:

                  It’s true that anybody can make their mouth say anything. Actions speak the loudest. I can’t speak for all women, only myself. Yes, the laws are not fair. I don’t look at just one side. I look at both. No need to be bitter and take your frustration out on me because you choose to only look at one side of the coin instead of both.

                • mack says:

                  whatever

                • Jessica says:

                  Yeah, I know.

                • Wild Dog says:

                  Back in the 1950s everybody knew of somebody who HAD to get married. By nature woman gives birth and MUST take responsibility for her baby. By nature man experiences no such thing automatically. Depending on how the woman has behaved the man’s own paternity may be a question mark. Thus where woman has responsibility by default man has to be made to want to take that same responsibility. Should a young maiden get pregnant back then the man who was seen around her had to assume responsibility or face the wrath of the whole community! But what happened if the girl, instead, behaved like a prostitute? How can the community be sure who the father is? How can the man and his family be sure who the father is? Should the man commit? Yes man had to protect woman, had to provide for woman and child throuhout his life. And yes woman was entitled to a house without working for it, entitled to manage it as she deemed fit and entitled to have all hers and her children’s needs met through the man’s wage. But woman was also required to behave properly to maintain paternity certainty, to be obedient as a last resort and to provide homemaking services and sex. Compare this to todays society where woman can have all her traditional wifely entitlements but without the traditional duties that needed to be done to earn them! Man say dug down, woman says “who are you to give me orders?” – well then don’t be surprised chivalric code flies out the window! Father says what are you wearing, who you going out with? Girl says I’m not your property, I can go out with whoever I want, dress however I want and fuck whoever I want. So father says fine pay for your own marriage, you don’t need my permission or dowry and why should I be bothered since I’m not involved in the decision-making process at all? [I have my own retirement scheme to pay instead!] Men for their parts are saying this to women – do whatever you want, take care of yourselves and cater for yourselves, it’s your body do what you want.

                  So you see by nature woman has to take responsibility for the consequences of sex but man has to be made to want to take that responsibility and this was previously done by imposing duties and corrsponding entitlements to each gender in a gender roles covenant where man and woman would complement each other. You win some you lose some. Our current marriage covenant has been altered by feminists so that woman has no duties to fulfill anymore [except at her discretion] but is entitled to the same entitlements under the old covenant! Man on the other hand – the gender that has to be made to want to take family responsibility – is still required to fulfill his traditional duties but is instead denied the entitlements that used to come with it [exceptions courtesy of woman’s discretion]! Are you surprised marriage isn’t working anymore? Many of us do want to get married, a sentiment echoed by SeriouslySpeaking below but what’s in it for us men? Not only is the law against us but the modern woman no longer acts and behave in a way that makes the gender that must be made to want to take responsibility to want to take responsibility!

                • Jessica W says:

                  I’m not surprised that marriage isn’t working. All I’m saying is just because others are having trouble in their marriages and refuse to work them out doesn’t mean that yours will fail too. When you make that commitment to God and to your wife/husband, it’s up to both of you to fulfill your duties. I really feel sorry for those who blame the opposite sex when both sexes need to take responsibility. It takes to make a marriage sweet and two to make it go bad.

                • Luke says:

                  Well said. I wish this kind of logic didn’t go in one ear and out the other with feminists but it does. They see that everything is different now. We’ve “progressed” past our natural impulses. But they don’t understand that that’s only an illusion held aloft by technology and convenience. If you take those things away, throw these people back into the jungle… when they barely know to navigate without GPS, all I can say is… god help them.

                • Marc Brown says:

                  Jessica, you seem very level headed and logical. I appreciate what you are doing by trying to represent a fair and balanced argument. However, I would like to point out that I’ve know many women who start out like you, but turn to the devises allowed them overnight (if not sooner).

                  They use the unbalanced laws to “turn into” the type of woman many men are describing here because they can / they have that as an option.

                  I’ve seen it many times. Kind, considerate, understanding, fair…. but, when it comes to a fight (of one sort or another) women ‘turn’ to those laws and social stigmas to gain the upper hand. Men don’t have that option, so they lose.

                  What I’m saying is, women start out like you, but can and often do turn. Many men have decided that risk isn’t worth it. It’s too much of a gamble. Risk vs reward is something like love, happiness, friendship = a very low percentage while heart break, lose of children, finances = a very high percentage.

                  EVEN IF the woman truly and honestly starts out with a fairness, love, understanding.

                  In other words, men can only bring a knife to a fight…. why wouldn’t a woman, even a good one, not bring a bazooka when the courts, all of her friends, and social media are SCREAMING at her to do so??????????

                • Jessica W says:

                  If these women choose to follow the social stigmas and man-made laws, that’s on them. I’m me and can only speak for me. I truly feel sorry for those who let the negatives keep them from moving forward. Thank you for the compliment Marc.

                • zona “U-Get” smith says:

                  MASTER…….

              • AbsolutelyTrue says:

                Well most women Can’t be trusted today at all since they like to Cheat so much these days.

                • Jessica W says:

                  Men cheat too. Basically, both sexes cheat. I think it’s because men have done it for so long, women want men to see how it feels to be cheated on. I found that men take it a lot harder than women. Most men can’t be trusted either. You reap what you sow.

                • Mark Muffs says:

                  Covering this subject is beyond the scope of a comment or message board but it’s well known that if a man or woman isn’t going to give the other what they need at home, then he or she may go and try and find it someplace else. After all, who wants to be in a loveless/sexless relationship or marriage???

                • Jessica W says:

                  I don’t agree with affairs. However, sometimes it takes that to wake someone up. A man/woman is gonna take no from his/her wife/husband only so many times until he/she goes out and finds another woman/man that will tell him/her yes.

                • Take The Red Pill says:

                  Women cheat — men are blamed (“he must have done something to drive her to it”, etc.).
                  Men cheat — men are blamed (it’s NEVER “she must have done something to drive him to it”) .

                  Men now are not trusting women for their lying (e.g., false accusations), their arrogance, their hubris, and their abuse of their power.
                  You reap what you have sown.

                  MGTOW — because the bicycles have found that they don’t need fish, either.

                • Jessica W says:

                  I didn’t cause this. No need to be bitter and take your frustration out on me because you choose to live in bitterness. And yes, both sexes cheat because either something isn’t gettting done at home or a lack in ones self. Women and men don’t like bitter people. By the way, I’m married to a wonderful man. Too bad you let your bad experiences keep you from ever knowing what real love is. Until you forgive the women who have hurt you, you can never fully move on and they will still have power over you. Men lie too, are arrogant, and abuse their power too. Try looking at life from both sides of the coin instead of one.

                • John Raducci says:

                  Seeing the truth for what it is is not being bitter. It’s being realistic to the situation. If women really want to see their prospects for marriage increase ( as the marriage rate is still in massive decline with no reason to believe it won’t stop….) then they have to fix it on the individual of someone worthy of marriage. Proverbs 31 as far as character goes. If the society was filled was filled with women like that then it might be another story but alas it’s not. I’ll take the love of God and his mercies anyday over the love of a woman. THe promises of God will never be broken whereas with women they can lie as easy as they breathe.

                • Jessica W says:

                  It is bitterness when a person allows one bad apple to ruin it for everyone else. Until people realize that both men and women have destroyed marriage, the blame game will continue. I look at Proverbs 31 and live by it. Not everyone can say that.

                • VetteMan says:

                  I have noticed that anything a man says, doesn’t say, think, doesn’t think, do, and doesn’t do can and will be held against him.

                • John Raducci says:

                  Only that women in the vast majority get legally rewarded for doing so… men not so much.

                • Tyler Doe says:

                  men will definitely cheat if they aren’t in loving relationships and their sexual needs aren’t met. That’s like blaming a woman, historically, for leaving if the man doesn’t pay the bills. Of course she would leave. Men have needs too.

                • Jessica W says:

                  Yes. Men and women both have needs. A man/woman will take no from his/her wife/husband only so many times until he/she goes out and finds another woman/man that will tell him/her yes.

              • Mark Muffs says:

                You’re a person of good character, Jessica. Freedom issues were one reason why I never married and also parted with most girlfriends in the past. And screaming kids totally annoy me and so I never date anyone with kids or grandkids.

                • Jessica W says:

                  Nothing wrong with that. Just keep doing well and one day your wife will come. Unfortunately, finding a woman with no kids are virtually becoming nonexistent and the same with men.

                • Mark Muffs says:

                  Not necessarily, Jessica. The childfree segment of our population is now one of the fastest growing. It does still hold true in the south & southeast (aka the Bible belt and for now I’m still in Arkansas) but in other areas such as out west (originally from Arizona) people have put it off for years, if not indefinitely. Child rearing is not for everybody. When I became of age in the mid 1970s, the last thing on our minds was marriage and kids. for at least 5 years, if not more after high school. We 70’s era young folks started bucking traditions from our older predecessors. I know I’ve posted a few comments on here that seem anti-woman but I’m really not, I love ’em. I was told long ago not to look for her but to let her find me and I tend to believe that. I also will not deviate from my criteria as that can open the door to disaster. Thank you, hugsssssssss.

                • Mark Muffs says:

                  I might also add a statistic. I went to a small parochial high school and our graduating class was 132. As of last year, an astounding 49 of us never married. The old song about wedding bells are breaking up that old gang of mine didn’t hold true. Most of those guys I hear are still hanging close together and a few of them as well as one of our former teachers now run an auto restoration shop out there. I like the idea of being friends for life like that.

                • Jessica W says:

                  You’re welcome Mark. Hugsssssss back at you.

              • Justin Rule says:

                NAWALT

          • Mark Muffs says:

            I’ve been saying since I was in my 20s that the legal system needs to stay out of it. Now they have also gotten so deep into child rearing as well. Now one can’t even let their kid walk 2 blocks away from their house to their friends house or the local convenience store without risking having a visit from the police or the child protective services. Sheer insanity.

            • Jessica W says:

              It is a mess. Parents can’t even discipline their children because of it as well.

              • Mark Muffs says:

                Yes and with kids getting street smart at an early age, they know that too. One now better hope and pray their kid will turn out ok or they may be facing a long nightmare. Another reason why I’m glad I never had kids. Some might call that overly protective but hey, I’ve been mostly issue and drama free much of my life and I attribute that to generally being a loner and not knowing too many people. I’ve been that way most of my life, even as a kid. Any issues my way were self inflicted such as debts, trying to get with the wrong girl, poor job choices,etc and worse of all not continuing my education. Now being semi-retired I can delve into that. 34 years of truck driving paid well and was for the most part recession proof but I was never satisfied with it. Your husband is a lucky man indeed, Jessica.

                • Jessica W says:

                  My husband has children from previous relationships. I’m the one who has no children. I’ve had somone call me selfish because I didn’t want children at one time. I’m 35 and figure if I haven’t had them by now, there’s no sense in me having them. I’ve been blessed to have a wonderful husband. My husband would say he is blessed to have me. Thank you for the compliment again.

                • Mark Muffs says:

                  Those that call others selfish aren’t the ones that are raising the prospective child. Some such as grandparents, sisters, nieces, etc are so anxious to hold a baby but of course give it back later. That burns the heck out of me, people implying selfishness. Fortunately my parents never pressured me (it wouldn’t have done any good) Jessica, I feel that in the last 24 hours I made a new friend in you. Thanks and God bless. Hugsssss.

                • Jessica W says:

                  My parents didn’t pressure me for children either. To be honest, I wouldn’t bring a child into this jacked-up world. Not only that, children are expensive. I’m glad you consider me a friend Mark. God bless and hugsssss to you too.

                • Pablo Escobar says:

                  He probably lied to save your feelings. Men marry young, fertile women to carry forth their bloodline. Aging career women are for beta losers.

                • Jessica W says:

                  My husband is not like the rest of these lame-ass men. I met him when I was 26. We got married four years later. He was in long-term relationships when he had those children before he met me. This is both of our first marriages. I can still have children. I was pregnant by my husband before we got married, but I miscarried. After that, we didn’t try again. Besides, he doesn’t need any more children. Five is enough. Don’t jump to conclusions because it will get you in trouble homie.

              • Mark Muffs says:

                I might also add that on the other side of the coin, its not all uncommon to see teens (girls as well as boys) strolling around at 4:00 in the morning. As a truck driver working those crazy hours (both local and out of state) we see all the things out there, long before the police do. I had a lot more freedom than most 1960s & 70s kids did but not to be out at that hour.

          • MEME says:

            Yes, it takes two

          • John Raducci says:

            When the law massively favors one at the expense of the other for BAD behavior (specificaly no fault divorce where MANY MANY times the husbands who were faithful as could come are being f–ked by the system by their adulterous whores for wives). Man up and marry to subjugate to have your entire’s life work and $$$ go up in smoke because some other guy made his wife pussy get all wet??? Freedom all day every day. Freedom from the female imperative, freedom from the imposed slavery that marriage as it stands today is now. Bring back fault divorce and the vast majority of men still won’t marry seeing how women’s true nature has been exposed.

            • Jessica W says:

              Not all women do this. Men and women both have made marriage a bad deal. Until people realize that both sexes play a part in this, people will continue to play the blame game.

            • Jessica W says:

              Those material possession will be lost anyway because someday a person will die. No point in whining about it because you can’t take them with you.

      • Take The Red Pill says:

        Women aren’t interested in “good, decent men” at all — until they start hitting thirty and they finish playing with the players, dirt bags, and bad boys (or the afore-mentioned don’t want to play with them anymore).
        Then it’s time to look for the “good, decent” sucker that they friend-zoned ten years earlier and try to get him to pay (i.e., marry) for what they gave away for free to every thug, gangster, and dirtbag that crossed their path and gave them the “tingles d’jour” the previous decade.

        MGTOW — because its better to be single than to wish that you were.

        • Jessica W says:

          Not all women. Stop putting all women in the same category. You can continue to be single and unhappy because no one wants to deal with women-bashers and men-bashers. Until you realize that both sexes caused these problems, you will always be bitter and lonely.

      • Tyler Doe says:

        Yep, feminism. Unintended consequences…. Now masculism is taking over. Bang broads and hang out with the bros.

        • Jessica W says:

          Yeah. After you’re done banging broads, you’ll wake up with a disease that you hope a shot can take care of. Nine times out of ten, you’ll still feel empty.

          • Tyler Doe says:

            Your comment is irrational. You can catch a disease no matter your motivation. So can women. And as for feeling “empty”, I will feel more fulfilled in a bad marriage with a bunch of rugrats crawling around? LOL. Ok I’m going to get right on that. Sounds amazing! I thought I had to spend all my time on my career, making more money, and having more fun. I wish somebody would have told me this sooner…

            And by the way, my comment wasn’t necessarily about me, but about guys in general. Guys don’t want to commit to that marriage scam. Can you blame them?

            • Jessica W says:

              That’s on them. If they want to continue to run with the trash, they can stay out with the trash. Just don’t ask for a good woman in the process. Just keeping it 100.

              • Tyler Doe says:

                Hahaha, a good woman. Like who, you? You are exactly the type nobody wants to marry. Obviously angry things didn’t work out. It is OBVIOUS. You know that, right? You are angry that more and more guys are doing what THEY want and it doesn’t fit your agenda.

                • Jessica W says:

                  Nice try. I’m already married to a wonderful man. LMAO. Obviously, I AM a good woman otherwise I wouldn’t be married. You’re the type no one wants to deal with. I hope you know that. When you fall, who’s going to be there to help you get back up? It’s men like you that make it hard for men who really want true love.

                • Tyler Doe says:

                  Don’t worry, I believe you 🙂

                • Jessica W says:

                  Yeah, I’m sure do. 🙂

          • BlueLanternMonk says:

            10 panel STI testing: $50-$200. 30 year old virgin: Priceless.

            • Jessica W says:

              I know that’s right!!

              • BlueLanternMonk says:

                Seriously,I’ve been offered money…..
                Doing the right thing is sometimes,no fun! (If only God didn’t mind a little bang and slang) Were enough women to care about men,half as much as you do,I’d be on the market,due to sudden Equality Before the Law,in a matter of days! Sadly the equality I mentioned,is no longer the definition,of the word. I.e. “Regarding Equality” (by TFM on YouTube) I wish women would riot in the streets and destroy properties,like the Suffragettes did,but the privilege to Vote without being drafted is far more important than Men’s “rights”. Women could change it by tomorrow night,with the same underhanded tactics their foremothers used,if they were willing to leave their Female In Group Bias (“Women are Wonderful Effect”-Wikipedia) at home. When I hear ladies like yourself (rarely) it always rings hollow……
                “Choose my instruction instead of silver,knowledge rather than choice gold,for wisdom is more precious than rubies,and nothing you desire can compare with her.”
                -Proverbs 8:10-11

                • Jessica W says:

                  Charm is deceptive and beauty is fleeting, but a woman who fears the Lord she shall be praised. Proverbs is one of my favorite books in the bible. It takes strong men and women to stand up and do what is right, even if it means ridicule.

                • BlueLanternMonk says:

                  Yeah,I’ve heard of ladies being called prude,for doing what I am. I don’t get teased about it,unless it’s by my family. Is there a (single) man shortage,in the last church you went to? I haven’t been in 15+ years,as I got fed up with being asked where I went to school,where I work,why I’m not stable etc. While also hearing how a “proverbs 31 woman would never marry a loser”. I.e.:
                  “The poor are shunned even by their neighbors,
                  but the rich have many friends.”
                  -Proverbs 14:20
                  …..I’ve been doing the best I can to increase my financial prospects,in spite of everything working against me,since childhood. By the time I get there I won’t have anything for a woman,who wouldn’t look at me until then.
                  The only ones interested are young and naive or old and divorced or just plain “fast”. No quality,without cash,it seems. I understand I’m on my own,but I’m not going to work extra hard,when I’m unworthy,until then.
                  I appreciate your insight! Although I’m stuck your words have uplifted me,as all skillfully placed sayings do.
                  “Light in a messenger’s eyes brings joy to the heart,and good news gives health to the bones” -Proverbs 15:30

                • Jessica W says:

                  I haven’t been to church in years. I have no idea if there is a man shortage. If no one will accept you for you, they’re not worth your time. A virtuous woman is a crown to her husband; but she that makes him ashamed is like decay in his bones. A true Proverbs 31 woman doesn’t care that her man makes less money than she does. The rich are more miserable than you are and are bored. My hubby didn’t have a job when I met and married him. I still loved him through those dark times. He works now and we still live and work together. The reason your family is teasing you is probably because they’re more miserable than you are and want you to be miserable with them. Tell those demons to get away from you.

                • BlueLanternMonk says:

                  I suspect those members of my family is unhappy,also. While I was at the store,just now,a woman and her husband stopped me to ask about my unusual eye color. Another woman who was nearby walked over to join in. Side note: I happen to be sick and breaking a fever,right now. She (& they) ran me through the ringer,asking about my economic prospects,education etc. The lady (very good looking) invited me to visit her at her home and gave me her phone number. It’s already in the waste basket…..
                  P.S. why did you stop going to church? Were the shaming a little more bearable,I’d go back.

                • Jessica W says:

                  I stopped going because there were more hypocrites in the church than on the street. I felt that I could continue my relationship with God without feeling spiritually uncomfortable and irritatable. Diligent hands bring wealth, lazy hands bring poverty. Keep striving and working for what you want because it will all pay off.

                • BlueLanternMonk says:

                  I will! To strive is to be alive! It’s refreshing to have met you. It’s starting to seem like the Christians outside the church,are more biblically oriented,than the one’s inside it. An issue I’ve had online,is that most Christian forums are overrun with “you’re all going to hell” types and lots of atheists. The whole thing gets tedious,after a while,but the Holy spirit moves through all God’s children!
                  For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”
                  -Matthew 18:20
                  I think I may have (nearly) run out of things,to say about male and female relationships. I’ve successfully hunted down an example of a woman who would “date and marry a man,without a job”…….it’s not a “sugar
                  mama”,which I suspect don’t exist,but you’ll work as an example of “Not all women are like that”. The laws won’t change for decades,so even without the economics of Hypergamy to offset,I’d still be in legal hot water,if I dare to commit. Out of 1000+ ladies,only one has shown herself to be of noble character,in her dating and marriage prospective,about her mate’s utility or earning potential. It has been a pleasure trading with you!
                  “I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.” -John 16:33

                • Jessica W says:

                  And people don’t realize that they have to prove all things to each other. I don’t go on Christian forums. There is nothing godly about them. Change will come, but everyone has to come together instead of being against each other to make it happen. I’m glad to have met you too BLM. Keep doing God’s work and be successful.

                • BlueLanternMonk says:

                  Deal! I’m glad an example of a Christian woman,who is willing to invest in the welfare of strange men,can be found here. I know it takes a lot of work,on your part. There are Souls at stake and we have only one way to influence eachother,on the internet. Talking about these things in person,is obscenely difficult. Thus we (men) gather online,as male vulnerability is reviled by women and subsequently shunned by men. It’s either “trusted Bro’s” or nothing,present company being an exception. If my assumptions are correct,you’ll be doing this,long after I’ve disappeared. Your willingness to suspend the natural “In Group Bias”,of your gender is more potent and rare,then you may know. Men need more of that!
                  “Better a patient person than a warrior,one with self-control than one who takes a city.”
                  -Proverbs 16.32

                • Jessica W says:

                  When you speak the truth, no one wants to hear it. I’m at a point in my life where I’m going to speak the truth and don’t care whose feelings get hurt. If people are offended by the truth being told, then the subject applies to them. Men and women need each other more than they want to admit. They also want meaningful, healthy, and strong relationships but aren’t willing to give up the I’s and Me’s for Us and We. Husbands love your wives as Christ loves the church and do not be bitter or harsh towards them. It’s refreshing when a man can bare his soul and not care if he is ridiculed. Most guys wouldn’t know how to handle a woman like me because they’ve been scorned to the point to where they want nothing to do with women or end up gay.

                • BlueLanternMonk says:

                  Hard hitting! My dad has asked me why I won’t try,to establish a relationship. I answer with “dem laws,dat lack of money,Da divorce rates” etc. and he has,at times,replied: “are you gay or not?!”
                  I was the substitute for a “nurturing parent”,on account of having three brothers and an angry dad,with my mother not being present,so I learned to harness my sappy side,as a defense and coping mechanism. I’d like to give up my “I” in exchange for “we”,but the aforementioned reasons,prevent this being done with any measure of safety. The most bitter part of me,says upright women don’t exist. The loving part says they just have to! I.e.:
                  “A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.”
                  -James 1.8
                  I like how you toss risk aversion (a female staple),to the wind,in favor of kindness. This is an excellent fusion of “Caring based Morality” (ladies) and “Justice based Morality” (gentleman),that everyone is in sore need of.
                  Should you have girls under your guardianship,they’ll be seen as heroines by guys,if they take up your prospective and methods!

                • Jessica W says:

                  Not taking a risk in anything concerning a relationship is what keeps people from ever experiencing true love. In life, we get hurt from our experiences. How you handle these experiences and learning to forgive those who have hurt you determine if you will find true love or be bitter, hateful, and lonely. Children don’t listen no matter how much you instill values and knowledge to navigate in this game called life. When they get hurt, the first thing they do is cry to the parents. I do everything I can to spare my stepdaughter from heartache. Some things she may have to learn on her own as she grows.

                • BlueLanternMonk says:

                  I knew about women’s In Group Bias and men’s favoritism toward them,relative to sexual gratification,for most of my life,but I didn’t have a name for the dynamics. I.e.: (“women are wonderful effect”-Wikipedia) …..it doesn’t take a woman’s superior olfactory gland,to smell my fear! Am I to set aside the knowledge that a lady can cry rape or domestic violence and the state will put their full weight behind it,even if she openly admitted to lying? Or that 50+% of marriages end in divorce and 80% are initiated by the wife,the most common reason given for filing being”dissatisfaction or a state of unhappiness”? Even if a woman looked past my many flaws and was will to provide for me (“House Husbands Just Ain’t Sexy” on YouTube),I’d still be totally defenseless,in virtually every way. 80% (ish) of all men in jail,are there because of being “in arrears with child support”. I don’t want to be accused of something horrible or jailed,for being broke,just because I “picked wrong”. My feelings are the last of my concerns. Just speaking to women can get me a harassment charge,although my record is flawless. How can I reconcile these things?

                • Jessica W says:

                  My husband calls child support “The Broke Ho’s Hustle.” He owes back child support and won’t let that stop him from achieving his goals. He was accused of rape even though evidence clearly showed she wasn’t. Don’t fear what man-made laws can do to you. Fear what God can do because his judgment is eternal. You don’t wake up between the sheets (layers of spiritual bondage). There’s a process in and a process out. If people are in bondage, it’s because they want to be, not because they have to be. Just keep following God’s path and leave all your fears and concerns at His feet. He already has it worked out in your favor.

                • BlueLanternMonk says:

                  “He was accused of rape even though evidence clearly showed she wasn’t. Don’t fear what man-made laws can do to you. ” ……What?! Would marry or date a “supposedly innocent” sex offender? Were he to be found guilty,being innocent,the gavel would’ve landed the same. How long would he have been in jail,If “proven” guilty? Years…..decades? An ex-con has an easier time,than an offender. Women are lying in court and not being punished,because “it would scare away real DV or sexual crime victims,from coming forward” i.e.:
                  [MensRights – Reddit
                  Reddit] Excerpts: “Nothing will happen because then it would discourage other victims from coming forward……. claim that punishing false accusers deters real victims from coming forward.” (I know reddit isn’t empirical evidence,but the legal precedents abound,to an alarming degree……the aforementioned excerpts would also apply to cases of D.V.)
                  The danger of sharing a room with a lady,for a man (as in your husband) is so great,that it’s unreal.
                  I want to,especially when I’m in the mood,but this is too much for even me,to ignore. P.S. “Broke Ho’s Hustle”,made me laugh! Your guy’s got jokes!

                • Jessica W says:

                  One of the reasons I married him. He has a sense of humor while telling the truth. Eventually, the women who have lied in court will be dealt with accordingly. It’s up to them to be woman enough to admit their mistakes. It’s sad that there is no justice. My husband is not an offender. That’s just a man-made label put on him because he was tired of the long-and-drawn proceedings. Basically, they made him take the charge that he did not commit. I was angry at the woman who ruined his life like that. Needless to say, she’s still going through hell because of her lies. It just goes to show that when a person does someone wrong, wrong will come to them ten-fold.

                • BlueLanternMonk says:

                  “Basically, they made him take the charge that he did not commit. I was angry at the woman who ruined his life like that. Needless to say, she’s still going through hell because of her lies.” …….so she’s rotting in jail,as we speak? Right?! No. She’s free. He’s semi or entirely unemployable and marked for life. Your guy got off Easy and he still almost went down with the ship. Thank you for going on this journey with me,it’s been fun(ish)! I’d laterally have to be a masochist to get with a woman,knowing what power they have over men. Your guy got lucky,nothing more,innocent or not. I already ignore all females,who attempt to communicate with me. (Internet exceptions,aside) Women love being sexist (In Group Bias),then they project it onto us. I’m not going to give them a target. Maybe big daddy government will wife them up and give them their pick at the sperm bank. I refuse to donate,as my genetics are to good,for them.
                  Even a woman My own age,who’s “not like that”,as you are,isn’t worth the risk. I already knew this stuff,I just wanted to see what a virtuous woman would say about it. This is game over.
                  Have a good one.:-)

                • Jessica W says:

                  She’s not locked up but will be if she ever decides to come clean. She lost her kids to the state. I feel that is her punishment for ruining someone else’s life. My husband does have a job. His label is a man-made one not a spiritual one. His attorney was friends with the prosecutor and made him take the charge. That’s why he is falsely labeled as such. Everyone who has done wrong to God’s angels will get their eternal punishments. I’m glad to share this journey. You have a blessed one! 🙂

                • BlueLanternMonk says:

                  You got it! I know/knew what’s up,although I was unaware of the exact details. I need more than eventual circumstances,as my legal protection,so it’s a no go. A lady was lookingme all iup and down today and checked to see if I was looking at her. I didn’t make eye contact,but my peripheral vision caught it. She was obviously not used to being intentionally ignored. It felt super unnatural,but so do the stories my male acquaintances have shared. The legal system is unreal,in its anti male policies and judgments. I suppose one person who doesn’t reproduce,won’t make an impact,so perhaps I’ll just focus on ignoring the whole thing. Should any guys ask,I’ll still tell them what I know,for their own safety.
                  Stay cool like that! Maybe a few ladies will see your comments and hopefully adopt your well balanced prospective. Laterz!
                  “Life is beautiful
                  Glass half-empty; glass half-full
                  Death is imminent”
                  -Dustin Craig

                • BlueLanternMonk says:

                  *Double reply it’s like you predicted my future! That woman was beautiful and trying to charm me. A certain someone called it. You’re smart like that! (I’m going proverbs heavy today.)
                  “Keep my commands and you will live; guard my teachings as the apple of your eye. Bind them on your fingers; write them on the tablet of your heart.”
                  -Proverbs 7 2-3

      • Take The Red Pill says:

        First World women aren’t interested in “a good decent man” until they’re in their their thirties and have burned through the majority of their fertility, lost their looks, and mainly because the Bad Boys don’t want them anymore.

    • Mark Muffs says:

      I’m not a woman hater, in fact I’ve loved a few in my life but get married? Have kids? No way, never had those headaches. Aside from that, I’m incompatible with about 97% of women ‘cuz the only ones I’d be compatible with are old car (particularly truck) nuts and those type are extremely rare.

  • Jason Fartpants says:

    Go Your Own Way, guys and enjoy your vacations. Here’s wishing you all a Happy MGTOW Day on 14th Feb.

    • DarthW says:

      You are exactly right. I make it a point to remind all my friends and relatives during this time of year how lucky those of us who are single really are reminded of that fact on February 14th….especially we single guys!

      • Mark Muffs says:

        Still single at 60 and loving it, like it was still the 1970s. I have 6 “kids” which consist of two 4 legged ones and four four-wheeled ones. My family. No fussing, no crying, no doctor bills (except a couple times to the vet to get shots for the 4 legged ones)

    • Mark says:

      Amen to that. glad I was never dumb enough to marry. Remember guys when you marry a woman you’re also marrying your wife’s real husband: the government.

  • MR. Crystal Chaos says:

    MGTOW – That’s where you find all the whys?!

  • Jessica Wade says:

    Damn, you men really are bitter. I don’t blame you though. Believe it or not, there are women who don’t want to get married because they feel like they have more to focus on instead of looking after some man and a bunch of screaming kids. Not only that, most women feel like they’re losing their freedom and identity. So yes, both and women don’t want to marry for the same and different reasons.

    • GH says:

      Women are wronged? Those evil oppressive men, all of them just by their nature. Men wronged? Easy now, both men and women can be bad sometimes, no reason to pin it on all women; in fact, both men and women are victims when men are wronged.

      I wish you could hear yourselves as we hear you.

    • Luke says:

      Yes, and those women will be selected out of the gene pool, so there will be fewer like them with each successive generation. Win-win.

    • Fraga123 says:

      Ye$, of cour$e.

    • Pmzizi says:

      Yawn, typical shaming language of men being bitter. More like men are realistic and logical.They adjust their actions based on assessed risk. No one cares if you end up alone not married and no kids. Good for you.

      • Jessica W says:

        I’m the one who posted that comment. Sorry to burst your bubble, I am married but my husband has kids from his previous relationships. Life is about taking risks. Basically, I’m not alone. Try looking at life from both sides of the coin instead one.

        • outrightfield says:

          Jessica, You are awesome.

          • Jessica W says:

            Thanks outrightfield. Obviously these so-called men are scared to take a risk on marriage because they’re afraid to lose material things that can be replaced. A husband or wife cannot be replaced. They can go ahead and remain bitter and alone. Yet, they have the nerve to ask for a good woman but don’t want to change themselves.

            • outrightfield says:

              These guys give the rest of us men a bad rap. As you said, they want a good woman that puts out but they do not change at all.

              • Jessica W says:

                Then when the woman stops putting out because he’s not doing for her, he wants to get mad and do stupid stuff. When she leaves, then he wants to say I should’ve, would’ve, could’ve. By then, it’s too late. He lost her by his foolishness. This scenario can also go for women too. They too ask for a good man but don’t want to change themselves.

        • Wrinklyyyyyy says:

          You didn’t take any risks actually. Your husband met you, your husband drove conversations, your husband took you out, your husband asked you out on several dates, thought of the ideas and activities for nearly all of these dates, drove the conversation on nearly all of these dates, your husband asked you to marry him, your husband agreed to marry you. The only risk you chose is to agree to be with this person after he’d proven a whole bunch of things to you and you felt no need to prove anything, or approach him, or start a conversation.Stuff normal people feel they’re capable of, and by normal people I mean just men towards women. This is what men hate about women and women actually pat themselves on the back for it like it’s a gender war or contest. If men can’t do these things aren’t worth any woman’s time and deserve to be denigrated by both genders.

          • Jessica W says:

            I had to prove to him that I was worth marrying. I stayed faithful while he was in prison and took care of his children. I took a risk because my husband is a convicted felon. I was worried that he wouldn’t be able to get a job because of that. I still stuck by him no matter what. In fact, I asked him out. He asked me to marry him twice. Most women won’t take the risks I took because they’re too worried about material things instead of looking at a lifetime with someone who loves and respects them. I’m glad I did.

            • FuqTheNorm says:

              Women now a days are just as promiscuous as men.

              • Jessica W says:

                You lead by example. Men were promiscuous first. Women followed. Everyone has a choice to do right or do wrong. Men and women have a lot of work to do on themselves if they wish to have a long, strong and happy marriage.

                • FuqTheNorm says:

                  Lead by example? Men aren’t always the first to be unfaithful. I’ve been married since 09 as happy now as I was while datingm2yrs before marraige. And never have either of us strayed.

                • Jessica W says:

                  I was referring to men that were promiscuous back in the day. Women are doing this because they figure if a man can do it, so can she. Men are supposed to be leaders. This is what I mean by leading by example. I’ve been married since 2010, still in love and happy. We haven’t strayed from each other either.

                • FuqTheNorm says:

                  Still don’t agree with that, but good for yall. ☺we just had a daughter in September.

                • Jessica W says:

                  We agree to disagree. Congratulations on your daughter. 😀

                • FuqTheNorm says:

                  Thanks

                • Jessica W says:

                  You’re welcome.

  • P H says:

    I appreciate your efforts to give constructive advice Renee, and yet acknowledge the reality that there are low-value men – and low-value women. Mature people recognize there are low- and high-value members of the opposite sex. I would rather learn to become as high-value as a mate as I possibly can, and learn to recognize high-value men, than complain about all the low-value ones and write off marriage entirely because there are low-value men out there. Attitude is everything. Thanks for your advice!

  • really Renee? says:

    Being a young couple today is difficult – different from a couple of decades ago due to reduced buying power, work/life balance issues and entitlement.
    Both of you twenty-somethings – have a hard look at the bank balance and the prospects before you hook up and make a baby.
    If you do, person-up and make it work.

    • Insidious Sid says:

      “PERSON UP”. Love it. Tired of all this “MAN UP” nonsense when the internet clearly doesn’t tolerate the term “WOMAN UP”!

      • Jessica says:

        I don’t mind hearing the term “WOMAN UP!” This motivates me more to keep myself up and be the woman my husband loves, respects, and wants to hold on to for life.

        • Brit Byerly says:

          So a man needs to man up and marry a woman? Women bash men all the time and everyone is always sympathetic to the women. But a man needs to stop complaining and just marry a woman? Wow… I see no logic in that. Men don’t have to marry to be a man or they’re some little boy who’s not ready for a “big step” like marriage. I made my best attempt to remain calm in this reply. Men don’t have to and shouldn’t marry a woman if they don’t want to and they’re definitely just as masculine.

          • Jessica W says:

            Never said that men need to man up and get married. Men can marry if they wish to do so. The comments I’m seeing show that they care more about material possessions than the person they want to have a relationship with. Men bash women too. Yet, they have the nerve to ask for a good woman. They still haven’t forgiven the women that did them wrong to move forward. Let go of the bitterness to move forward. Life is about taking risks.

            • Brit Byerly says:

              Women do the exact same to men. There’s a difference between taking risks and being stupid. I didn’t say men don’t bash women but no one gets mad at women bashing men like they do the other way around. You said, “I think they’re scared and can’t handle a big step like marriage”. What exactly does that mean if it doesn’t mean that men should marry or they are scared and can’t handle marriage. I don’t want to be mean and I’m very glad that your marriage is a good one but it seems to me that your point on this comment thread is that men should still marry regardless of past experiences. I know women get abused too and they shouldn’t marry either if they don’t want to. Western society does not support heterosexual marriage. Very few marriages are like yours and it seems to me that men and women, at least in America, are almost incompatible. It is shown quite often to be the case. Men and women hate each other almost in America except for a few couples.

              • Jessica W says:

                No one should let their bad experiences hinder them from wanting to get married if they wish to do so. I’m referring to those who are letting their bad experiences hinder them and those who won’t bother to even take a chance. This is something people need to work out within themselves. Men and women are constantly battling each other instead of coming together to work things out. In the end, everyone has to answer to God for their actions.

                • Brit Byerly says:

                  What does God have to do with this? What action are men doing that is a sin by not marrying a woman? There are a great deal of things that should be happening but they aren’t. You claim men care more about their possessions than their spouse. It’s a important matter though. Men work hard for their house and other belongings and they should keep it. Anyway, I have other things to say, but this conversation is going nowhere and I’m tired. I hope your marriage continues to be a happy one.

                • Jessica W says:

                  I wasn’t referring to a man not marrying a woman a sin. Putting material possessions over your spouse is a sin. A spouse is worth way more than material things that can be replaced. Like I said, most of the posts I see show that they care more about their material possessions than their spouse. You may think it’s pointless but the truth is stranger than a lie. I just don’t see how material things can make a person happy. God said that husbands should love their wives as they do themselves and not be bitter or harsh towards them. Unfortunately, these men would fail miserably. Yes, you should also enjoy the fruit of your labor. All I’m saying is if they want to be bitter and lonely, that’s on them and the same goes for women.

        • Mark Muffs says:

          You’re a rare one indeed. All too often these days, others take the “whats in it for me” attitude.

          • Jessica W says:

            Thank you for the compliment Mark. It’s sad that people have the attitude of “what’s in it for me.” It’s also dangerous and a recipe for disaster.

    • LAC says:

      I like this idea. My grandparents were poor immigrants who loved and respected one another. They worked together to create a solid family and build a beautiful life together. They were spiritual, connected, fun, tough and loving people. Marriage is an institution for personal growth, love and companionship. Both the man and the woman “person up” and become their best selves for themselves, one another and the family unit. This concept seems to be lost on most of the people commenting on this blog. Personally, I believe this is what marriage is all about.
      Most of them commentators sound as if they have not fully explored the marital vows or the suitability of the partners before walking down the aisle.
      Sounds like they’d put more thought into what kind of car they would buy.

      • Jessica W says:

        They really haven’t, otherwise they wouldn’t be making negative comments. I think they’re scared and probably couldn’t handle a big step like marriage.

  • DarthW says:

    Gotta agree with PJay, and any other men on here that say marriage is a pile of crap. Women are parasites in most cases….I suppose there are a few exceptions, but they are like unicorns: Read a lot about the exceptions, but don’t see them much, so they appear to be a fantasy.

    I know a couple seemingly happily married men, but I know a TON more very unhappily married men. I remember being in a group of friends and acquaintances a few years ago when a married older gentleman was talking to a buddy of his about maybe hanging out for a couple hours that weekend. The married older gentleman turns to his wife and says, “Troy and I were thinking about doing so and so tomorrow. Just wanted to make sure that’s good.” His wife of 10+ years suddenly got very stern and condescending with him and stated firmly, “No you’re not. I have a list of things for you to do tomorrow.” My reaction to that was “Thank the stars I’ve never married.” Women today get married thinking they run the show at home, and the guy is just there to hand over a paycheck and do her “honey-do list”. EFF THAT.

    Add to this the pile of divorced mothers in the dating pool. I tried that route for years, finally waking up and giving up. Divorced mothers are the worst. Statistically they likely initiated the divorce from the man who gave them children, and the moms think they have the same market value in the dating pool – or ever more value – because they have kids from another man with whom they couldn’t make a marriage work. The moms enter the dating world again making demands, acting entitled, and expecting to be treated like a queen by some other guy. So the moms bring a pile of crap in their attitude AND now have kids, an ex, debt, and all the other crap that comes from a divorce. HELL NO!

    Marriage is a bad deal for men, and all men should stay away. My nephews are reaching adulthood, and I am encouraging them heavily to focus on their careers, date women only for fun and sex, and to NEVER commit or marry them.

    • Mark Muffs says:

      NEVER even date a woman with kids. Most of them (not all) are looking for an ATM machine to help support their offspring. I’ve never been a kid person anyways and even when I was a kid I never ran around with them. I was more interested in what adults did.

    • Mr.CommonSense says:

      I would have to agree with everything you said…

  • PJay says:

    This is a country where having a “traditional marriage” is listed in the VAWA website as a potential indicator for domestic violence.

    Where a woman recently appealed her $995,000,000 divorce settlement – because SHE WANTS MORE.

    It’s WhoreTown – the women, the Family Courts, the lawyers….take your pick, as it’s hard to tell which is the biggest parasite preying on men.

    Marriage is over.

    • Mark Muffs says:

      Yeah, the flea bag that was married to the oil baron in Oklahoma. When I read about that, I gasped. How can someone say that almost 1 BILLION is not enough???? Where does that mentality come from??

  • Delmonico says:

    How