What if He is Heavily in to Video Games?

men and video games

What if he's heavily into video games?

This is a great question from a longtime and lovely reader of mine, Masaleen:

“Hey Renee!

Hope you’re doing well. I’m still an avid fan, and you and David become a cuter couple with every video.

My struggle is this. Recently I’ve been feeling a bit estranged from my man because he feels I don’t understand his love of video games, and wishes I did. I do my best not to make him feel controlled; letting him play when he wants to, and with his friends, etc.

But having him need me to see and appreciate the “depth,” “inspiration,” and “heart” he feels some games have is going too far for me. He even wishes I would play a bit so that I would stop assuming he’s doing something shallow and meaningless. Is it not enough that I leave him alone when he’s playing and never complain afterwards? I’m not silently seething either; I’ve come to accept his need to play.

But now I feel controlled and unappreciated, simply for not seeing gaming the way he and his buddies do. I am NOT his buddy, I am a woman and his lover and I have no interest in games. Is this an inadequate way of thinking? Should I try harder to share in and understand his hobbies, or am I wise in staying out of his masculine interests?

I feel many women struggle with men who love video games a LOT. I don’t know if David loves gaming, but for most women I know whose men love it, it is frequently a struggle for her in some way.

Whether you want to address me directly or answer it in a post is up to you, but I would LOVE if you shared your insights on how women should handle men and their love, sometimes obsession, with gaming. It can be an extremely delicate subject for men, making them put up their defenses easily, so it’s not easy to deal with the issue.

Thanks for your time, Renee. I really appreciate all you do. You’ve contributed to helping Mike and I stay as strong as we are (because don’t worry, we are still madly in love;)

~Masaleen

 

*******My Answer*******

Hi, lovely Masaleen!

Thanks for your email. And yes, I can relate to this.I laughed so hard when you said he wants you to appreciate the “depth” and ”heart” that some video games have (no disrespect to men and their love of video games, that’s just that I’m a woman and that just sounds so hilarious to me) lol, anyway -

Years ago, David used to play video games a lot. Sometimes until late when he had to wake up at 6am the next day for work! I feel it was his way of escaping from a job that he felt trapped in and that he hated. 

So - 

You’ve obviously struggled with this in the past, way before you emailed me – what I’m saying is, you’ve struggled to understand why on earth he has to be so “involved” and distracted by video games and can’t give you the deep love you want.

To you as a woman, most video games are not full of depth, or heart.

I understand.

You’d rather he came over to you and gave you his full presence and loved you so deeply (instead of playing video games in that moment anyway) you don’t know which way is up, or down.

I think intuitively, us women know that video games is just a shallow way of expressing their masculinity and feeling successful. After all, you have to turn the game off and go back to real life sometime soon enough.

And We’d rather not be around him when he does it, we’d rather see him do something more ‘constructive’. Even if our man is already successful and constructive out in the real world, it still hurts to be around him when he actually is playing video games instead of giving you attention.

Not to mention being asked to play WITH him.

(David used to ask me to play video games with him as well, and since I wanted intimacy with HIM instead, it felt like my needs were being dishonored). So I can relate.

FIRST I’ll touch on understanding him, then I’ll give you my thoughts on what ‘steps’ to take.

Understanding Him

1) Video games are an easy way for men to feel successful. It’s kind of like women emptying their bank accounts to buy all these clothes and shoes and accessories and make up that they hardly ever use or wear, in order to feel beautiful and magnify their radiance.

When in fact, the best way to magnify her radiance would be to become a woman who radiates love from within. No amount of clothing is ever a replacement for that.

And all the while, her man is getting all stressed out and feeling disrespected because she’s out spending all this money rather than giving him the love and appreciation HE wants, which would be one of the real secrets to actually making her more beautiful to him (at least in his mind, anyway).

It’s a classic example of men wanting women to think like men and women wanting men to think like women.

It’s no different to women trying to drag their men along shopping with them and getting hurt when he walks off for hours or looks so ’absent’ and dumbfounded whilst she’s shopping for stuff and wants his opinion on what she picks up to try on (which, if you’re like me, is usually half the entire clothing store!).

See where am I going with this?

On the one hand, he wants to feel more connected to you, because he feels you don’t understand him on his level, so he’s trying to ‘make you more like him’. He feels this will make you ‘understand’ him, and develop a connection, and a ‘commonality’.

But, he’s forgetting that it’s not what you have in ‘common’ that attracts you to each other and made you fall in love in the first place. It’s your differences. It’s the masculine/feminine polarity.

If you start playing video games with him all the time, soon enough he’s going to find himself repelled from you and feeling less passionate about you.

Just as you would if you had a man who tagged along on every shopping trip. You would like it at first, but then you’d start to see him through a different ‘lens’. It’d feel different to you. You’d lose the attraction.

So in terms of understanding, you don’t want to take away the pleasure he feels by playing the video games. Let him have that. It makes him feel good, and it’s a quick way to feel successful.

If you try to take away this good feeling from him, he’ll just resent you for it. It won’t benefit the relationship. And, no matter how ‘immature’ his video games habit may be, it’s not your job, as a woman to tell him what to do, and to teach him about the consequences of his habits.

You can do it, but just be mindful of the consequences. It’ll feel good to you in the moment, but it will also just work against you and make your relationship go backwards.

(By the way, the more you approahc situation with understanding, in the future, if you seriously feel like telling a man what to do, he’ll be far more open to it because he can already trust you as a valuable woman in his life who understands him).

Remember in past emails how I said that masculine energy thrives on challenge?

Well, video games provide a quick way to overcome challenges and magnify his masculinity (in his mind), but it’s only on a very surface level.

So, what you’re doing so far is good in that you’re not making him WRONG for doing this.

That’s the first step. Not making him wrong. Acceptance. Otherwise you’ll just build resent between you both.

So, here are the next steps you can take:

1) Sit with him for 10 or 15 minutes and watch him play the game.

What’s the point of this?

The point is to see him overcome an ‘opponent’. If you can even pick up when he does that. You’ll have to look carefully.

If I ever do this, sometimes I miss his ’victory’ moments because one: I don’t get the game and two – as a woman, I’m not really as in tune to these kinds of things.

He just wants you to appreciate his successes (yes, they’re very superficial), but fighting it won’t help. At least it won’t until you’ve made him feel that you understand him, at least on some level.

And when he ‘shoots’ someone dead or whatever triumph he overcomes, just say something like ‘woah….that was cool….’ or ‘well done’.

It will make him feel appreciated and understood.

Because his own woman is recognizing his ‘victories’ (however fake they are!)

And don’t sit there for hours doing it. You don’t want to dishonor your own needs as a woman. That’s not good for either of you. It also does nothing for the growth of the relationship.

After the 15 minutes or so are up (don’t obsessively time this, you want to be GENUINE about it. And really put yourself in his shoes.)

Then get up and say, ‘you know what, I’m going to read a book’, or ‘I’m going to call a girlfriend now’, cause I’m feeling a bit lonely.

If he tries to get you to stay, you don’t have to. Honor your own need for intimacy.

Here’s your second option:

2) the second option I have for you is more playful (or you can use both steps I’ve given you). Here’s what I would do if it was ME.

When he says ‘come play with me, you’ll appreciate the depth and the heart of the game!’

I’d do what I do very often when these high tension situations pop up – I’d turn around and be playful, and maybe even literally poke him with my fingers, and and say:

“oh yeah!? come shopping with me and my girlfriends for the day! We can buy some pretty dresses and look a wide array of soaps oh and maybe even shoes!

You’ll see just how pretty and DETAILED all the clothes are! I can even SHOW you! Sometimes they add lace detail AND florals and buttons AND silk on to the ONE cardigan!”

And I’d do this just to break his pattern and make him go ‘huh?’

no thanks….lol.

It just changes his state, it gives his brain a ‘jiggle’ in a fun way, and it breaks the pattern of him trying to get you to do guy things with him, and is ‘gets the ball rolling’ toward him starting to understand more of where you’re coming from, because you’re actively implying, in a playful way, that if you were to ask him to do girly things, it would repel him, too.

It kindly reminds him of your differences. And that you shouldn’t force each other to be the same. Without you having to go and literally TELL him:

“look. We’re not the same. This is the wrong way to go about it.’ which will just make him resent you for telling him what to do.

And make sure it’s done in a playful way.

If you can’t do it without feeling resentful inside, don’t even bother (I know you wouldn’t Masaleen, I just had to put this in so other women would know).

The key is to get on his level, and establish some connection in a way that actually also helps you also escalate the attraction in the relationship.

Because these two things (connection and attraction) are often in contradiction.

The more connection or ‘commonalities’ you have, the less attraction you’ll have.

So it’s like a constant (but fun) balancing act when you get in to a relationship with a man.

The more the balance tips towards attraction and passion, the more you’ll have attraction, but perhaps the more fights you’ll have because you’re so different.

So that’s all I have to say about that. Let me know how you go with my tips.

Lots of love,

Renee The Founder of The Feminine Woman

P.S – please leave ANY tips you have of dealing with a man who is obsessed with video games.

Also leave any stories or experiences you’ve had with men who are obsessed with video games. Thank You! :)

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  1. LadyLuck
    492 days ago

    Am I the only girly girl that likes video games once in a while?? Even action and shooting games? I don’t game much anymore, but when I did, I could beat any guy and it was fun! Anything in excess is too much and some do use gaming as an escape. It’s very addictive! That said, I have left a guy because he was too addicted to gaming and online games. His problems were more severe and psychological, unfortunately. But usually, I might indulge in a game for 30 minutes, enjoy it and then just mention how I prefer doing something productive or have other things to do. I am a girly girl, but somehow I do get competitive with video games and in my experience, guys don’t dislike this trait. i just say something like “Oh I love gaming, but it takes up so much time and I have more important things to do with my life! But, when I am old and retired, I’ll probably be a gamer!” They know I am right and they usually see my point and take on the same attitude. But… if a guy is addicted to gaming or porn or anything to escape reality so to speak… there might be some issues indeed like work stress or relationship issues. I agree about shopping and clothes, though I still think well-designed clothing can make a girl’s life better. She will look well put together and pretty. It’s important for women. But, I agree about inner radiance and that guys don’t necessarily care so much about looks.

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    Rochelle Reply:

    Hi Lady Luck, Overall I’m very feminine in both my appearance and demeanor, yet I particularly love fighting games and I sometimes play in tournaments. lol I mainly see it as any other hobby or passion and disagree with a lot of the negative connotations surrounding gaming. My feminine side also allows male gamers to see certain elements in gaming from a different perspective.

    However I have many other hobbies and interests as well, such as dancing and travel. In my experience, I find male gamers tend to be better as friends because it seems like whenever they get interested from me being a female gamer, that’s all they want to do! @_@ But I’m willing to give the ones who aren’t as invested in it a chance

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  2. jubilee
    526 days ago

    Yes! I believe vid games affect the male brain differenty. (heck, what DID THEY ever do BEFORE vid games and remote controls..hmmmm) The same with THC from marijuana. IMO, It makes them less ambitious. Your father could have affected you when conceiving you since it stays in the sperm sack. Remember when the western world was on top with technology and the others couldnt get it? Well, when THC mainstreamed, it made men less capable of being able to support a family and it stays in body longer than alcohol unless one is an alcoholic. Now they want the WOMAN to be the tech and even right now, women are getting BETTER in math than many men….something to think about

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    LadyLuck Reply:

    When I did an IQ test as a little girl, it turned out that I was actually very talented in the technical area as well as others. I was surprised, because I was very girly and just loved dolls and drawing and dancing. I became a designer which I think is both creative, technical and a lot of other things. I find it SO sad that femininity is so misunderstood. There are ways to be ultra feminine or ultra masculine, regardless of our interests and talents. A lot of that is just cultural programming, which I know is useful in terms of understanding and working with human psychology, but really it would be good for women to liberate themselves and to believe in themselves to become truly authentic instead of thinking in terms of ‘what are feminine activities and male activities’. Isn’t that what it’s all about?? Just being true to yourself and DEFINING YOURSELF as a woman?

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    LadyLuck Reply:

    Pot also made me less ambitious when I used it in a different life and I am a female. People, please refer to scientific studies when making statements about the difference between the male or female brain. This is the reason why many guys make the typical remarks about how ‘women aren’t logical’, etc. Let’s work on using our excellent female brains! Let’s stop worrying about these guys, our relationships, our shoes. Don’t get me wrong, I am a shoe fetishist myself!!! I am a shoe addict! But… women need to take their own power and start focusing on themselves and their own development. If a guy can’t keep up… sorry dude.. NEXT!

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  3. AJ
    533 days ago

    I am surprised at how explosive this topic is lol. I loved your advice, Renee. I found it very helpful. I don’t play video games myself so I am not aware of all is intricacies, but I don’t mind at all when a grown man loves to play them. Frankly, I love it if my man has interests and hobbies and a purpose BESIDES just me. That just bores me very fast, but like Masaleen, if he would try to get me to love his masculine endeavor as much as he does I would feel a bit stuck. Because I don’t lol. A friend of mine who was attracted to me LOVES American football, and he tried so hard to get me to watch it and like it and I just couldn’t! He used to get so upset with me. But the man I was in love with loved the spot just as much but he never tried to foce me, he found my feminine reaction and knowledge to the sport amusing and used that as means to feel more attracted me and I did the same. I found his love of this sport that meant nothing to me absolutely hot, hence why the other young man was just a friend and this man was a lover. But your advice has given me a more clear way of how to handle this masculine/feminine difference if/when I ever need it again in the future. You’re so wonderful at this!

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  4. Laurence
    535 days ago

    Hi Renee, been reading your blog for quite a while now, it’s often excellent, filled with insights that ring true.

    But this is maybe the first subject where you come across as a bit of an ignoramus — ie. laughing at the notion that games could have depth when you’ve never bothered to find out for yourself. It’s like ridiculing someone’s love of cinema just because you were raised on books and assume movies are nothing but car chases and explosions. For the first time, your tone has become just a bit demeaning to men and dismissive of their interests. Not criticizing your advice so much as your overall attitude that gaming is “shallow,” “hilarious,” and “immature”.

    Games today are more like big Hollywood productions, employing well-known actors and teams of artists, with classical orchestras performing the music. Because they can take place anywhere, in any time period, the more thoughtful games deal with huge ideas and themes regarding the human condition, the afterlife, evolution, futurism, good and evil, etc. You really think the point of all this is simply to make men feel macho by overcoming empty challenges? Games can now go deeper than most other typically “male” pastimes like golf, baseball or fishing. But you won’t understand this by watching someone else play a game for fifteen minutes, any more than you could properly experience a book by watching someone else read it. (And no, I’m not a hardcore gamer at all, I’ve just played enough to realize that games have matured, dramatically and thematically, far beyond the simple Pac-Man and Mario games I grew up with.)

    If my gf said a particular book or film (or game for that matter) was deeply important to her personally and that I should experience it, I’d be open to that. My opinion may not be the same as hers, but at least it would be informed. I think it’s important to be open to new things, not just dismiss what you don’t understand. To have an attitude like, “You want me to watch your favourite romance? Romances are just about making women feel feminine on a surface level and you saying they’re ‘deep’ makes me laugh so hard” would just be close-minded and ignorant.

    Maybe as a “feminine woman,” you feel it’s inappropriate for you to play videogames much or even recognize them as anything more than a silly waste of (men’s) time. But how is that any better than a man dismissing all romances as a waste of time, without watching any, just because he’s a man? There have been some very good romances made, which I know only because I’ve been open to them. Who cares if watching them wasn’t particularly “constructive”, “productive” or “masculine”? At the most basic level, they fulfill the same purpose as modern videogames: letting you escape your own life and live someone else’s for a while.

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    David Reply:

    Yo Laurence
    Great comment. However I’m pretty sure Renee was replying to another woman, and helping her understand something about men. (Which by the sound of it, Masaleen got what SHE needed).
    Communication to a woman can offend men and vice versa.
    Just to clarify a few things. Renee has nothing against video games at all. I don’t think she’s at all compared video games to romantic movies. In fact, i’m sure that she doesn’t prefer one over the other on any given night of fun. In fact, she would rather play video games than watch another one of those “over-done” romatic movies.
    And i know for a fact that she doesn’t feel inappropriate to play video games. She loves it more than i do. She wants a PS3 for christmas and I rather be fed.
    And I’m certain that Renee would be open to something that her lover recommends if it was deeply important to him, much like you would for your gf. And renee’s opinion may not be the same as a man’s, but at least she would try. That would be obvious if you witnessed Renee killing all the enemies on the second hardest level of hitman blood money. To do that, she tried it for much longer than just 15 minutes.
    I don’t get the repeated references to movies… there are lots of movies that don’t deserve my time. I would watch them if the love of my life asked me to, and i can learn to appreciate them, but I’m sure that’s what Masaleen would do too. But the problem isn’t her lack of willingness.
    By the way, lots of romance movies are waste of time. Doesnt mean i wouldn’t watch them. However, the problem for women is that their men aren’t addicted to romantic movies, but men spend hours and hours playing video games. Not my place to judge, i’ve done it before. But I don’t think we were discussing the virtues of video games as much as we were trying to help women gain more understanding.
    And yes, i do agree that games go deep. That’s why millions of ppl are addicted to them. addiction doesn’t really happen to shallow games. And is it more productive compared to learning Spanish or learning Karma Sutra? Well, that depends on who’s answering the question. we all have different goals and ambitions in life, But it’s none the less not even the point here. The point is, how to make Masaleen’s relationship better by giving her the understand that she needs to move forward.
    I’m sure what masaleen’s first priority is her relationship with her man. So she needs to do what it takes to gain the understanding she needs to, to be empowered to know what to do. Renee stated clearly that she should try to appreciate it but not spend all her time watching her man play video games. Nothing to do with dissing video games.
    And I’m sure her man would want some understanding too if he ever felt estranged from Masaleen because of Masaleen’s love for…eg croissants.
    (Apologies to Masaleen, don’t mean to use you in so many examples.)

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    Laurence Reply:

    I understand Renee was answering a reader’s question. But since this is a public blog entry, not a personal e-mail, it could have been done in a gentler tone, without seeming to put down an industry and its fanbase. Maybe there isn’t much chance of offending gamers on this site, but there definitely are gamer girls out there. I’ve heard podcasts by women complaining about the lack of respect games and gamers have to put up with (ie. that videogames are synonymous with immaturity). If Renee loves games, it didn’t come across in the article. You are right, this is all off-topic; but if a man needlessly dropped disparaging comments about literature or music into his advice for another man, it would sound just as biased. I know now that was not Renee’s intention, so thank you for clarifying. This site is great, so sorry if I sounded overly negative about this one article.

    P.S. Will you guys ever do a companion site called The Masculine Man, to counter all the shallow “pickup artist” advice for men that’s out there? Some guys do want a real relationship, not just tips for getting laid. But that’s all there seems to be sometimes, which is why I read sites like yours instead.

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    Renee Reply:

    Hi Laurence, have you tried The art of Manliness? They’re not really geared specifically towards relationships, but the guy behind it certainly doesn’t blog about the normal pick up artist stuff….. http://artofmanliness.com/

    LadyLuck Reply:

    I really liked your reply! This reminded me of something… I actually met one of my ex long term partners in a video game. “The couple that plays together stays together”. Well, not so much for us, but I still agree with this saying. I also agree to being open to entering the other person’s world. For me it’s clear, I am an extremely feminine woman who can see the fun and enjoyment in video games and who has loved playing shooting and action games. For me, it was something I excelled in and that made me feel like the heroine from a movie! It inspired me to be “STRONG AND BEAUTIFUL” as a woman. Strong meaning… I am a woman and can take care of myself and my future children, my man, but I also know men are physically stronger and have other mental strengths. I am petite and very feminine in every way, but video games have inspired me to play and enjoy myself and to see woman as warriors too, in a way. Think Alice from the movie ‘resident evil 3d’. She is highly intuitive, beautiful, feminine and yet she has super powers and fights off armies of zombies. It’s fantasy and many guys dig this combo of femininity and fighting spirit. Much of who I am today reminds me of the games I used to play. I now train martial arts, live in a Sims like dream home overlooking a bay and I look good and feminine doing it! Yes, I wear a little bit of make-up when I train martial arts and when I am not training, I wear high heels and feminine clothes (reminds me of my former IMVU character who had lots of outfits). I have become the video game heroine/ Sim/ fantasy girl and I love it! LOL. I know what you are saying about games being more deep and with social themes etc. but I love ‘Street fighter’ and the cute girl characters beating monsters. Perhaps I am crazy! lol

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    LadyLuck Reply:

    Soooo anyways, the more I think about it, the more this subject is an issue of whether gaming is a masculine or feminine thing to do. Oh yes and by “STRONG AND BEAUTIFUL” I mean FEMININE STRENGTH, which is definitely different from MALE STRENGTH. Feminine strength can mean you are very intuitive, emotional, yet strong because deep down you have this strong believe in yourself. It’s confidence and the willingness to challenge yourself, be vulnerable and to explore new places too. I could never be like a man. I feel so grounded in my femininity, that enjoying some of these ‘traditionally male’ things does not take away from that. It enhances it and I use it to enhance my feminine life.
    Many years ago, the first motivation I ever had to become good at this action/shooter game was that I noticed some WOMEN in the online servers kicking some serious ass and I wanted nothing more than that. I wanted to be skilled at it and the beauty is that in games, women don’t have the disadvantage of not being as tall or muscular as men. I am very thin and I train martial arts in real life with very tall and muscular guys and some women that are way more muscular then I. I am the lightweight of my group and I have to work extra hard in real life to do the things my video game character could easily do. In the game, I could use my skills to the max and I did not have any disadvantages. I have made many a man cry! LOL. SO to speak.

    I like how in Asian culture and in Asian movies, you often see women who are tiny and beautiful like ballerinas or flowers, yet they are martial artists. I just really like this combination and don’t see it as masculine. I think there is such a thing as feminine strength and it involves passion, vulnerability, perseverance, heart, an unbreakable spirit. Sometimes video games are much like role playing and they CAN teach you something or make you realize something.

    So… I guess it’s OK for girls to try out their guy’s video games. We should not have to feel less feminine for doing so! You’re not going to turn into a man or repel a guy if you play a fun game! I have become more playful over time and incorporate this in my personality. Flirting and teasing have a lot to do with playfulness and role playing. It’s good to experiment with that. I also used to make videos of a character I made and designed, which was more of a fashion/creative thing. I think video games are indeed a big part of our culture today and they aren’t as bad as some people think. They are nice for de-stressing and just having fun with friends.

    Soooo… I dunno! be open is all I can say. Men don’t have the monopoly on exploration and adventure! LOL.

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    LadyLuck Reply:

    Also, sometimes we just like to be kids again and perhaps the guys that love video games long for a time when they did not have the stress or the responsibilities of adult life. I think the worst thing you can do is show a guy you are annoyed with his gaming. That’s like acting like his mom who is telling him to go clean up his room. Perhaps some guys just like to share the games they like with their women. It’s an invitation to enjoy the fun.

    You can also just kick his butt in the game, that will turn him off from a game in no time. LOL


  5. JP
    537 days ago

    I actually lol-ed when I saw this in my inbox! I have wondered the same thing… bc my boyfriend loves video games. It hasnt typically been that much of a problem, but there have been times when I’ve wondered why he puts it so high on his priorities. In the past he has actually scheduled in time for video games… really… like its an obligation. (live play with his buddies) This is when I thought what the hell??? And don’t get me wrong.. I like video games too. I grew up playing them. But like someone else commented… I like the more feminine games. Puzzle or arcade games… or cartoonish games like Mario or Zelda. Its more of a nostalgia thing for me. I do not play the violent war games. But anyway… when I thought about it I understood that this is just something he really enjoys, it relieves stress (although sometimes they stress him out too), and makes him feel successful (he is quite good at them) He does work hard long days doing manual labor, so why shouldnt he come home and do something for a few hours that he enjoys. So I decided that I should find more feminine games to play… so that while we are not playing the same game (he has never asked me to play his violent games but does like to show me cool stuff about them. I let him) we are still sharing the hobby. He lets me have time to play my games & cheers me on. So its something we share but in different ways… that allows us both to stay in our feminine or masculine energy. He can get a little overboard with how much time he spends playing them…but usually he realizes this on his own and makes time for other things. When I am with him and he is playing he makes sure I have something to do (surf the net, etc) and limits his time. I think it is something that could definitely cause issues in a relationship if it gets out of hand but there are ways to handle it so that its not a problem. Thanks for the post Renee, and for the great question Masaleen! :)

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  6. Masaleen
    537 days ago

    Renee, thank you SO much! I completely was not expecting this. This is so helpful and I really see things differently now.
    To clarify (to the commenters), my fiancé is not addicted to video games. He plays an average of 1~2 hours a day, and for longer periods with friends a couple times a month. He used to play much more, but the longer we’ve been together the more effort he makes to spend time with me (even if spending time is as boring as watching TV). He will always get off as soon as I ask him, and sometimes he’ll come to me after a few hours of playing and ask me why I didn’t beg him to get off!! He’ll actually wish I had because he knows it’s addicting! So please, do not tell me to find a better man.
    My question was not in how do I get him to play less video games (necessarily), but how do I deal with this issue of him wishing I understood and appreciated video games more? Would it be better for our relationship if I was willing to step out of my comfort zone and into his world, and learn to see gaming more as he does, or keep our respective masculine/feminine interests separate, knowing, even if he doesn’t, that it is healthier for a relationship?
    And Renee, you completely answered my question! I am so relieved and grateful. When you said women have difficulty appreciating gaming because instinctively we KNOW it’s an artificial medium for experiencing accomplishment, I was blown away!! I’d never thought of it like that but it’s so true! And it lifts a weight off of me because I honestly couldn’t understand why I felt such dread when I thought about trying to “appreciate” gaming (and it’s hilarious that you went through this exact same thing).
    To conclude, my man never wanted to turn me into a gaming chick – his first “girlfriend” (long story) was obsessed with video games, the violent kind he likes, too (FPR’s or First-Person Shooters, and MMORPG’s or Massively-Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Games) and it turned him off a lot. He just said he’d like it if I liked video games instead of saw him as spending his time on something shallow and ultimately pointless. And I will make more effort to not make him feel judged (how foolish of me to let my thoughts like that slip, haha), but I’ll also know, thanks to you Renee, that it’s OK for me to feel the way I do about gaming, and to stick to my girly pastimes. And how to do it in a way that actually builds up the relationship instead of hurting it.
    Thank you, thank you, thank you!:)

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  7. Yas
    539 days ago

    Thankyou Masaleen for your fantastic question! You really put it perfectly. As soon as I saw the email in my inbox I was like “YAY!!! Omg….something I’ve always wondered how to deal with but never asked about!”

    Both of my exes LOVED video-games, it drove me up the wall! So thankyou for your amazing advice (as always) Renee. I esp like the poking playful one, good one to save for later ;)

    Lots of love
    xoxox

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  8. Rebel
    539 days ago

    Wow…Amit…interesting perspective! I think if you asked my man that question you would find that your assumption could not be further from the truth! Just as I determine what it is that defines my relationship, so do you. As it so happens, my fiance and I have a relationship that suits and benefits us BOTH. We love each other compassionately and passionately with mutual respect and understanding. After spending 13 years in a marriage with a man who I adored but who increasingly put our kids and I at the bottom of his list I can wholeheartedly say that there should be no shame in admitting and requiring that THE RELATIONSHIP and each other be the priority. But, I fully understand that this is not important to others…for some video games or other things are the priority and if that is the case, finding a partner who is ok with this would make sense.

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  9. AGP
    539 days ago

    A small advice from a man is that if your mindset is “mature men = someone who gives you attention” then you have no understanding of men and should redefine your definition, the more selfless you are the more attractive you become thus the more most men will give without feeling forced.

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    Rebel Reply:

    Sometimes the situation is not so clearly defined. Sometimes, when there is no maturity (and by that I mean emotional maturity) a woman can give selflessly and a man will take without giving back. AGP your key word was “most” – I don’t know if there is any research that can definitively prove this…although David Deida has a great body of work that goes some ways into detailing this idea. The key is balance…balancing of masculine and feminine within the self and within the context of the relationship. I have no qualms whatsoever, in being honest that I want my man to prioritize the relationship…that I want to be the top of his list…the difference for me is that I have found a man that willingly wants the same thing, who loves me the same way I love and that makes for a very delicious combination indeed.

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  10. Selphie
    539 days ago

    I love video games! xD

    I play lots of games. Yesterday, my roommate was even asking me why I was playing games and why I wasn’t “worried about finals,” haha. But tbh, the whole “men-pissing-off-their-girlfriends-from-playing-too-many-video-games” cliche is extremely perplexing to me.

    As someone who plays and enjoys a lot of video games, I don’t really understand how guys think it’s OK to blow off their girlfriends to play games. One of my friend’s boyfriend made her talk on the phone with her WHILE HE WAS PLAYING GAMES. I mean wtf. He couldn’t take out ONE hour to devote some time to her amongst his 20 hours marathon?

    Although I consider video games a form of art that should be appreciated — PLAYING video games is not an art. It’s just like film. Movies can be artistic and beautiful creations. But while you can appreciate them for those things, they are also made as entertainment. People who just WATCH movies for their entertainment value (as opposed for academic study) aren’t doing anything particularly productive or “meaningful.” I mean, what would you say to someone who was so obsessed with films that they watched films 15+ hours a day without having meaningful human interactions in between? Video games are fun — as a HOBBY. And hobbies should enhance your life. But when they start messing with other parts of your life and actually LOWERING the quality of your life(including hurting relationships), they start to seem more like harmful addictions.

    Finally, as much as I love games, I don’t really get how people can devote so much time to games after high school. If you really can put in 10+ hours a day (and for some games, that number is actually necessary since the learning curves are so high), it really makes me wonder what these people are doing with their lives. Go get a job. Go study for your final (lol me).

    This is why I hate certain games (CoD *cough*). Their learning curves are so high and they demand hours of gameplay just to master basic skills. It makes people obsess and develop a sense of elitism and “seriousness” about games that just shouldn’t be there. Games are supposed to be fun.

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    Masaleen Reply:

    Selphie, you make SO many good points!! I never ever thought of it that way. My man was trying to get me to see his time spent playing as not wasteful, because video games, like you said, can be a product of impressive creativity, and maybe even “heart” like he said (storylines, characters, etc.). But just like with movies, watching them, and similarly, playing games, is not impressive. You wouldn’t praise someone for watching Forrest Gump, but you’d praise the people who put in the work to make it!!
    So I really will try to see video games as more like movies – an art form that can be appreciated – but yeah, you’re right, it’s not really impressive to play, no matter how much guys argue. It’s not real life (like Renee pointed out).
    And as a girl who likes games, it’s really interesting to hear your point of view. Because even though you like them, you can stay very objective and not let it control you like it does lots of guys. And I think that’s the difference between men and women. Even if women like games, we don’t get addicted to the high we get from the superficial success and forget it’s not real.
    Anyway, thanks for sharing your point of view!!

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    Selphie Reply:

    No problem.

    I just feel like this whole … thing– whatever you want to call it– is just so absurd. I don’t get why it’s even an issue, tbh. And I also resent the fact that some guys make it seem like it’s something that girls can’t “understand” since gaming is a “guy thing.” Even other men (who aren’t addicted) will agree that you shouldn’t play games excessively.

    I don’t understand why people make it seem like it’s SO DIFFICULT to balance playing games with having a girlfriend or boyfriend (there are plenty of women who do the same thing sadly enough. WoW is pretty bad with this).

    The problem is that if this is ACTUALLY an issue that is interfering with normal life — these people have an unhealthy addiction and are losing touch with reality. It’s a mental issue and they probably need medical help. Even game developers acknowledge it as a problem — some games actually have rewards for taking breaks or punishments for playing for too long. That’s how obvious and ridiculous it is.

    The key word I used, though, was BALANCE. It’s great to be passionate about something. But just because you enjoy devoting time to mastering video games, there is absolutely NO REASON AT ALL that it should also mean that you can’t spend some time with your significant other, too! No reason at all. Everything in moderation, folks.

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    LadyLuck Reply:

    I agree… it is an addiction. I say this because I know what it is and have been addicted for a short time, many years ago. But, I am not one to just let that happen for long and I enjoy real life. Just like I quit smoking and quit eating junk food many years ago. So… I dunno… peer pressure… high learning curve… nice visuals… easy instant reward… escape… it’s very addictive and I’ve seen many people be addictive to games or social media/ 3d chat worlds etc. to the point of insanity and online relationships and what not. Some people actually do meet partners that way and others are perhaps trying to fill a void or are unable to deal with psychiatric issues. For some, gaming might be beneficial and to some detrimental. It all depends. Perhaps you need to know your boyfriend well enough to know what kind of a man he is. I think it all depends on personality.

    If someone is really not capable of stepping away or even realizing the gaming is taking over their lives… wow. I know of adult guys with kids who hate it if their adorable kids interrupt their gaming! Yet I can see why men like gaming so much.

    I don’t have all the answers, but I just know that getting mad or sad about it only makes it worse. Just try to enjoy yourself and when he does take a break, he will see you having fun and being happy and he will want to join in on that fun! Also, if a guy plays a game while talking to his girl… I personally would just tell him “OK good luck, call me back when it’s a better time for you” and I would go do something fun. If he is like “No, just talk to me while I am playing this game” I’d be like “Nooo, I don’t want to distract you, obviously this is important to you, besides I was thinking of going out with some friends, see you later!” LOL. Don’t accept a phone call with a guy when he isn’t 100% focused on you!!!!


  11. Peggy
    539 days ago

    what about when the wife doesn’t get to shop for clothes, she shops for groceries. Also I understand the gaming need, he explains it is like guys that watch sports. Rooting for your team, and so on and so on, I get all that. But really, how much is too much. What about 10 th 14 hours Friday night, Same on Saturday and Sunday about 8 hours. Then drinking a few beers during this time.(8-14) When should it be enough. oh and during the school week I have 3 kids and hubby laughing playing and arguing over the game and who’s turn is next. Oh and homework is not finished, rooms are a disaster and it is played from 4 to 10pm. is this too much time? where does the invisible wife and mom fit in to that. I mean, how much damn confidence does the man need. addiction is what it is and it hurts all members of the family and the family as a whole. My solution? Break the Syrian , halo game into small pieces, put it back in the Drive, stuff newspaper in the drive and light in on fire, when the smoke clears, drop kick it in the damn pool….. Now that is confidence. I bet shes not invisible now,,,Got Your Attention Honey.

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    Rebel Reply:

    Priorities…if you are on the bottom of the list…get a man who puts you at the top: sometimes that could be the man you already have and other times it is a new man.

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    Sara Reply:

    Peggy, that is hilarious and so true. No need to tolerate bad irresponsible behavior. You rock!!! :)

    And Renee, you really rock too. I love your advice. It is very useful in my life and it is always practical. Thanks.

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    JP Reply:

    What if the wife is playing the video games when the kids & hubby come home from work & school? She tells them its HER turn and that they can play when the homework is finished & supper is cooked. This sounds pretty fair to me :D

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    Peggy Reply:

    oh yeah, now that’s an idea… I think I would have 4 nagging family members telling me I’ve played long enough.

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    LadyLuck Reply:

    that’s what earplugs and determination/confidence are for hun! Personally, I think this is a great idea!! DO IT!!!

    LadyLuck Reply:

    I like this idea! Brilliant!! The home will be a mess, no more cooking, cleaning and mom having fun for once, leaving the dad and the kids scratching their heads!!

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    LadyLuck Reply:

    Violence is your answer? Nooo… just leave him! You can do better and he is being an irresponsible father. Don’t be an irresponsible mom by acting in a violent, destructive way.

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  12. Cara
    539 days ago

    Most gamer guys wish they had a gamer-girl or a woman who ‘understood’ why the loved their games. (Although you’re going above and beyond simple by not nagging.)

    My boyfriend actually didn’t play video games, and I do (my father got my sisters and me into them when we were children because he didn’t have a son to share it with). However, I don’t play war games, I play the cutesy feminine games (which I simply like better). Some examples are Animal Crossing (where you create a world and have a house and act as a resident, it’s a game without a real purpose but it’s really fun to decorate your house and that kind of thing), Harvest Moon (a farming simulator that is really addicting, and you can even get married in it!), and the one most women know, Sims.

    My point is, I’m sure you won’t like the male-oriented games (war games disgust me) but there are definitely some games which may appeal to you that you could try so he wouldn’t feel like you weren’t on the same team.
    I actually got my boyfriend into gaming so it could be something we could do together, and it’s something no one else around us does (especially with such girly games!) and since he doesn’t know anything about gaming, he still feels pretty masculine doing it.

    What I’m trying to say is, video games aren’t inherently masculine because there are tons of really fun games that appeal to my feminine side (and the games that are about war or the like bore me to tears, unless it’s a role play game in which the focus is on STORY and CHARACTERS and RELATIONSHIPS, which actually end up being very feminine things when you think about it).

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    Renee Reply:

    Yes. I enjoy the more female dominated games (like The Sims), too. :)

    I just don’t enjoy war games and get bored of shooting games within about 5 minutes. xox

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    LadyLuck Reply:

    I love shooting games… just to be this kickass woman! I am good at it! I am also strategic and tactic, but I don’t like the slow games that take forever to develop and build up. Sims is nice, but I just like Sims because you get to play architect and build amazing houses!!! I like creativity in games. I love shooter games the most, because I have very good reflexes and can get very skilled. Sometimes I think women are better at them because we are good at dealing with fast paced chaos attacking us. We are like jugglers and if 10 people are out to shoot me, most of them will be killed instead. We are natural protectors, can dance around instead of just moving stiffly and etc. etc.!! I am always laughing when I see women try these ‘masculine’ games and actually being BETTER at them than guys!

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    LadyLuck Reply:

    Women are better at multitasking too! So if many people come at me at the same time, I know instantly how to move, dodge and shoot them, without thinking. You can’t tell me this is a male skill only. Just a few months ago, I beat a few boys at a fighter game I don’t even know.

    Selphie Reply:

    Agree. I do like some FPS, but I generally play rpgs and action games. I also really like the horror/suspense games. I think video games are the best for horror because it utilizes interactivity and you can really become absorbed. Oh and puzzle games. Girls love puzzle games lol.

    A lot of girls are on WoW, lol. Not me, but I understand the appeal. Sometimes, I’d rather dress my character up in a pretty dress and use magic spells… :P

    But anyway, I think the reason most girls don’t enjoy games simply for the fact that the gaming community is sexist. Most games are just catered to men as much as possible and any it can be pretty hostile to women who show an interest in it sometimes.

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    LadyLuck Reply:

    I must be a strange girl cause I don’t like puzzle games at all. For me, it’s all in the action or creativity/ designing (of characters and buildings). Maybe I just like to escape my womanhood sometimes. But, I still think that I make it feminine. I always use my own feminine flair in a game and for me, strategy is as much of a puzzle as… a puzzle! Strategy is a more complex puzzle. Perhaps most women are just programmed to think those typically male things are boring when they aren’t so different from what we like.

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    Rochelle Reply:

    I agree with you ladies. guys would appreciate it if his lady was willing to at least try out some of his video games instead of ridiculing him and acting like his mother for liking them. Isn’t part of relationship supposed to being open to new experiences? I love video games myself so I never had this issue and men love the fact I’m into them. It’s a male dominated hobby but since I am feminine I often make men see games from another perspective. There’s a lot that can be gained from gaming as a hobby as I have gained many interests and friends because of my interest. I guess it’s only a problem if it’s a real addiction. e.g. he skips work to play or something along those lines.

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